That moment when you quit the arms company and joined the legs company:
this post was submitted on 02 Dec 2025
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Defense industry, law enforcement, and surveillance are all instant dealbreakers for me whenever a recruiter reaches out to me. And sadly that seems like the vast majority of positions for which recruiters are looking for candidates.
That or AI shit.
I'm so tired of the tech industry.
Science grad with 10 years engineering experience. I had to turn down a lot of jobs before I found one that didn't involve killing people. It took two years. I'm paid about half of what I could get if I sold my morals. Totally worth it.
Depending on engineering discipline, oil & gas is another common one.
There's positive tech stuff out here too, bud. You'll likely need to look for yourself though, the recruiter reaching out to you is better funded for some reason.
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Raytheon would be equally accepted here.
Yea I'm an LGBTQ+ ally:
The ally they're talking about:
L ockheed Martin
G eneral Dynamics
B AE
T exas Instruments
Q inetiq
"our hiring system is even less discriminatory than our targeting system!" -their motto, probably
"our hiring system is even less discriminatory than our targeting system!" -their motto, probably
Bravo!
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I just use my skills to make gooner games. My soul is pure. To heaven I shall go. Unironically.
Thank you for your service.
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This is why I focused on graphics hardware for so long.... Then some arsehole came up with running AI on GPUs.
series of increasingly large dominoes where the smallest is "NVIDIA releases CUDA" and the largest is "the entire global economy has become dependent on running a useless computer program that tricks stupid people into believing it can do anything worthwhile"
Yeah, I got started in silicon thinking cheaper, faster, more power efficient chips would be a net benefit to the world... Then we became a social media surveillance state and AI dogshit is just the icing on the cake.
Now I drink to forget we're boiling the oceans to ruin society. One day this capitalist hellscape will end.
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Gods, I'm considering Job hopping and I saw Lockheed was hiring for my role, less experience, less certs, full remote, and quadruple my pay.
I had to block them on indeed and LinkedIn. I hated that I was considering it.
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My brother in law is using his engineering degree to work for various arms companies, including DARPA. His wife justifies it by saying "He only makes things for good countries like the US".
A few years ago, he, his wife, my wife, another sister in law and his kids were in a car, and he was talking about why it's justifiable to drone-strike school buses. He said "Well, there were some really bad people on those buses." I ask "What makes them bad?", and he says "You know, they make bombs, that sort of thing."
I turned to him and said "YOU make bombs. By your rationale, this car with your entire family is every bit as much a justifiable target as those school buses."
The entire car went silent, and later, my wife thanked me for not going any further.
He's the most morally-bankrupt person I've ever met, and I hate being in the same room as him. His wife isn't much better, and is the epitome of the portion of the working class that's been tricked into thinking they're better than that. She'll handwave away the fact that in her career, she's been directly responsible for firing thousands of people "for the good of the company".
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I may be an engineer, but I am still too fucking stupid to get a job at an arms company
It’s easier than you’d think. The applicant pool doesn’t tend to be the best and brightest.
One of the guys I went to college with is an amazing programmer and had such a great understanding of C that hes why i got as far into CS as i did, couldn't get a job after grad because 1) Covid and more importantly 2) he's insufferable.
He got a job making $100k a year for I wanna say Lockheed because he quote "Wrote good looking code". That's all they needed because Tue DoD already told them that the project he was hired for was not going to be adopted, but they were still contracted for minimum 2 more years of development and Lockheed would be in breach of contract if they weren't making progress even though it was already Dead.
The Military industrial complex is JUST a grift to put tax dollars in private hands.
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Not an engineer, but I have I have Asian parents, if I were an engineer and worked for a genocidal dictator, they wouldn't care, that's success anyways.
So... yea...
people value success over ethics
welcome to life
society...
Wouldn't they still be disappointed that you are an engineer and not a doctor?
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I don't think anyone with an engineering degree would believe there's a hell. Neither should you.
Leave it to an engineer to think that this meme is literally claiming there's a hell.
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Although I can imagine what hell would look like: commuting for 1h to sit in an office that has more people than desks to have a zoom meeting over VPN with flaky wifi and AC that is set to overheat whoever sits under the vent and under heat everyone further.
Oh did I tell you that meeting could have been an email? And the coffee machine broke yesterday. And there's a bathroom queue.
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True, these people will not face justice through any natural force of the universe, only by people holding them accountable for the harm they cause.
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Some of us turned down Lockheed and Raytheon.
You turned down lockheed, lockheed rejected me.
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The groomers in the MIC have claimed soooo many kids who just wanted to make video games. Gross and sad.
Doing engineering is more like an any% run to do something that eventually, even just statistically, hurts people.
So. Stop enabling us, scientists :P
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To quote Casually Explained:
"The only real question engineering students and new grads need to know the answer to is 'When is it ok to violate your moral principles?'
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Exactly. It has to be at least 6 figures."
I have no ethical qualms with those who make weapons. Horizontal communities need the means to defend themselves against external domination. The dilemma is, under capitalism, dominators employ weapons against those unable to defend themselves thereby realizing the idea of Hell on Earth.
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Look man, making missile killing lasers is just way more interesting than building another pointless SUV to a price target.
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