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Washington is unhappy that some European arms programs limit U.S. participation.

U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Christopher Landau on Wednesday slammed European NATO allies for prioritizing their own defense industry over American arms suppliers, according to three NATO diplomats.

The intervention came during Wednesday's meeting of NATO foreign ministers — which was skipped by Landau's boss Marco Rubio.

Landau, a longtime NATO skeptic who spoke first at the closed-door meeting, told ministers not to “bully” his country’s defense firms out of participating in Europe’s rearmament.

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[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 77 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Maybe that’s because we pissed everybody off.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 week ago

Now who could've seen that one coming.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

all part of putins plan, is to isolate the US.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago

Divide et impera. He does that all over Europe, too, and has been doing it for decades. The USA is the main enemy though, and he already conquered that, Europe was always the prize.

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The US just needs to pull itself up by the bootstraps and keep applying to more countries to land a contract.

[–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 week ago

They literally cannot even imagine the idea that their own actions have consequences. Watching these brainless fucks mesmerize so many people around me is absolutely terrifying.

And whether you intended that strictly as sarcasm or not - you're not wrong... We really do need to just sort our shit out as a country already. But there's still some stubborn idiots like me that refuse to give up. Will it be enough to even give us a chance? I dunno

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yep, America doesn't like 'hand outs' anyway. So they're honestly doing them a favor.

[–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

But you see, we don't have to earn it - y'all do! Or something. Fuck if I know...

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 week ago

Why didn't Europe protect me from the consequences of my own actions?

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago

It's like they're not trusting the US for the defence of their sovereignty. That's weird. I wonder why.

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 33 points 1 week ago

Tarriftopia complaining about "protectionist and exclusionary policies that bully American companies out of the market" is amazing.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Just wait until the post-tariff trade deals start hitting in a year or two.

America doesn't have any idea yet the scope of disaster that Donald has created, and the worst part is that he and the other billionaires are insulated from it.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

Insulated? Profiting off every move more like.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

I hope that Europe and other powers blacklist American billionaires, so that they can't sink their stinking talons deep into the economies of democratic nations. These wealthy parasites should be forced to lie in the bed they shat in.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Deputy Secretary of State Christopher Landau on Wednesday slammed European NATO allies for prioritizing their own defense industry over American arms suppliers

BITCH YOU LITERALLY TOLD US THAT IS WHAT YOU WANTED.

Get fucked. I don't consider the US allies anyway, we don't ally with fascists.

Edit: i have been informed that I am to ease on the hyperbole, so correction: read the former through a lens of less hyperbole, violence is bad

[–] Ninjasftw@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think you'll find that what they wanted was Europe to increase their defences spending by buying US made weapons not make their own.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 15 points 1 week ago

"No, not like that!"

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They want us to fend for ourselves by buying their stuff.

They are idots but it is the reasonable position from their point of view. What is completely unreasonable is the move away from Europe and toward authoitarianism.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's the empire. Economic victory condition a few turns away. Important turns.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"A few turns away" until suddenly the meme of the kid riding a bike shoving a stick in his own spokes.

Well I guess this game is going to be keeping me up all night after all.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

Just... One... More... Turn...

[–] Fluke@feddit.uk 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Dear USA,

Womp womp.

Sincerely,

Everywhere Else.

[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 week ago

European here. Good. Our elected officials are not yet so stupid as to think that stupid man has any actual sense.

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 24 points 1 week ago

America isn't a peer anymore.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Washington is unhappy that some European arms programs limit U.S. participation.

Ok, we can make it all arms programs.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago
[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hasn't the regime been tell them to do more for their own defenses? Why are they getting mad at them for doing what was asked?

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago

Because they're a bunch of oligarch fascist psychopaths and they aren't satisfied with dominating their own hemisphere anymore, they got control over their own, now they are going to do the same to Europe.

Between Russia and the USA, I'd say we need to up our defense budgets across the board and talk about much closer collaboration between our nations, to become a force of our own. It's ridiculous this shit.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago
[–] cv_octavio@piefed.ca 12 points 1 week ago

thoughts and prayers 

[–] notsure@fedia.io 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

...as a US citizen, i am ashamed.

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago

And you are not alone.

[–] perestroika@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Quick, bring out the bicycle meme.

The US has a president who's gone to great length in demonstrating that the US is unreliable and could be treacherous.

For example, why should Denmark or its allies (the entire EU and NATO) buy weapons from a country whose president has indicated that he dreams of annexing Greenland?

The situation currently is such: Ukraine needs weapons right now, and will happily use European money to buy US weapons. But purchases where multiple alternatives are viable, and there's no hurry? Countries have started preferring their own weapons, or those of countries that are in the same boat.

Here in Eastern Europe, if offered a choice between a hypothetic identical US missile and a Swedish missile, I would consider it likely that supplies of the US missile may be absent at a critical time, while supplies of a Swedish missile will surely increase at a critical time. They're under the same umbrella and will help patch it if someone tries breaking it.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

When is US going to start buying Eurofighter or Leopard 2 then?

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago

This sounds like an entirely good thing! Good job EU!

[–] LuxSpark@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 week ago

Looks like a smug fuck.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

The EU is buying a ton of American weapons though?

[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] middlemanSI@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I was about to praise the use of the word berates but then I read on..

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The whole point of Europe handing our defense companies to the rear view mirror is to get away from relying on us. I as a american hope they do. The more they do the smaller US defense companies become and that is a good thing for america and its citizens.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago

Considering that we may have WW3 started by the United States, I very much approve of Europe and friends cutting out America. It would be preferable if they had fully vetted and stockpiled arms, rather than makeshift drones made out of bedframes.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

The orange man likely shouldn't have been broadcasting out that he'd sell sub-standard equipment to allies, because "maybe they won't be our allies for long" then.

I know, if America wants to convince the rest of the western world that its arms are top notch, they should provide gear to Ukraine and allow Ukraine to use it without restriction -- seeing those arms actually defeat the Russian arms, would be a convincing case that US arms are high quality. Cause right now, that conflict isn't exactly a winning endorsement of being a US Ally, or buying US kit.

Instead, all we see is the states vulture-circling its client while handicapping their ability to defend themselves with seemingly sub standard weaponry. We see countries like India shifting to Russian arms deals, likely in part because of this sort of thing. Why buy American, if American arms are not allowed to be used against an aggressor nation? Why buy American, if owning those weapons means that Russia can still steamroll you due to America siding with Russia and salivating over your resources?

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Good. Give nothing to the us of fascistland. Even Canada is going to switch to Europe for planes etc.

[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

European bureucrats like von der Leyen are spineless American lapdogs. They will apologise and kiss Trump’s feet. They always have.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

respond by expelling thier embassies.

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Oh, new intelligence has just emerged that your country's government is supporting a terrorist organization that sending drugs to the US! /s

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Biggest global rearming since WW1 and people are cheering about it like they don't understand what happens next.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Most people aren't cheering that we are rearming, but they understand that it is a necessary evil.

Russia is right at our doorsteps and is increasingly aggressive. So we either rearm in the hope that that threat keeps Russia at bay, or we don't and will hopelessly lose if Russia invades.

Personally I prefer the first option.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Most people aren’t cheering that we are rearming, but they understand that it is a necessary evil.

Plenty of people are chomping at the bit for a Glorious New War we can all watch on the TV.

Russia is right at our doorsteps

That hasn't been true in over 40 years. And even when it was true, Europeans suffered far more under the paranoid police states of their own governments than any cross border conflict.

Personally I prefer the first option.

Not like any of us have a material say, but enjoy conscription I guess.