Because the fossil fuel companies are breathtakingly rich and willing to share that wealth with politicians in return for policy decisions that favour fossil fuel companies.
See also "lobbying", "bribery", and "corruption".
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Because the fossil fuel companies are breathtakingly rich and willing to share that wealth with politicians in return for policy decisions that favour fossil fuel companies.
See also "lobbying", "bribery", and "corruption".
I get why you would say this, but it's an oversimplification to the point of being completely wrong.
Fossil fuels have an absurd energy density. They're just really hard to beat. Modern batteries and liquid hydrogen don't even come close. Pair that with the fact that we've spent a couple hundred years optimising the steam- and internal combustion engines, compared to some decades (in practice) for electric-based stuff, and you start seeing why fossil fuels are so hard to push of the top of the hill.
Until very recently all alternatives were pretty much worse under every conceivable performance metric. There's a reason electric planes are still in the prototype phase. It's just technically really really hard to even get close to jet fuel and combustion engines.
Completely wrong? Let me test my understanding. You're claiming that fossil fuel companies are not breathtakingly rich and willing to share that wealth with politicians in return for policy decisions that favour fossil fuel companies?
That almost seems like a wilful misinterpretation of what I wrote, since I never claimed anything of the sort.
What makes you completely wrong is that you're using the fact that petroleum companies are filthy rich and bribe politicians to hell and back as an explanation for why we're still reliant of fossil fuels. The basic answer to why is that "fossil fuels and combustion engines are pretty damn hard to beat" to the point where we still haven't found a viable alternative for some applications.
I never claimed anything of the sort.
I stated that the fossil fuel companies are breathtakingly rich and willing to share that wealth with politicians in return for policy decisions that favour fossil fuel companies.
You stated that I was completely wrong.
You now appear to be shifting the goalposts as if you claimed I am merely missing the point as opposed to being completely wrong, so I'm done here. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. :)
There are so many factors playing into this. Also, I don't want you to think this post is suggesting we should give up on alternatives, because that is not my belief. We need to transition to something, and really we should have started this process much earlier. This is more to illustrate why it is a slow process.
Our habits need to drastically change as a society. Fossil Fuels are not the only problem we need to change, as an example, industrial farming is also pretty catastrophically bad for the environment (as we are currently doing it). We need to consume less (both power and stuff), we need to travel less, we need to eat less meat, and we need world governments on board for these changes in a meaningful and peaceful way. Or we need someone to invent a way for us all to survive the problem or reverse it without us changing a damn thing, but that sounds like magic.
Fun fact: Shell patented tons of alternatives to fossil fuel and then shelved them.
Sauce: worked there.
fuck i wanna hear abt 'em
Just so we're clear, that's Royal Dutch Shell industries, of very progressive, social democracy Netherlands, right?
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
They're British now, by the way.
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It has a higher energy density than most other substances. I think it's like double lithium ion batteries.
Because it's cheap and easy to produce. Biofuels compete with food and forests. Not sure how much waste products can cover. Either way the biodiesel is about twice the price of the regular stuff here and has a lower tax rate than regular diesel (~43% tax rate)
It has a very high energy density. First Google result approx 10x that of batteries in EVs.
All the infrastructure is already built. EVs are becoming better and better options but the grid needs to be upgraded and the generation capacity increased.
Cheap , fairly-easy, portable, storable source of energy, and the current supply chains are very high capacity. Lots of well understood methods and machines to use it. An oil tanker on sea or land moves a hell of a lot of energy to wherever people want it.
Population keeps growing. No way are all of those people going to leave that stuff in the ground, if "we" don't take the cheap stuff, "they" will. So it becomes like a race to find and extract it all.
Even if you don't want it personally, someone in your economy or military will be better off for it. Some people will go looking for it - and someone'll get rich if they find it.
Because money obviously, but not the way you seem to think.
For the last 150 years, there's been loads of the stuff more or less lying around. It doesn't require much effort to bring to a usable state, and a cup full can move you, your wife and kids, your dog, and your car to the top of that hill in the distance.
Until very, very recently that's been a pretty unbeatable deal.
Now we're just building out the infrastructure and developing the maintenance skills. We're in the midst of a transition.
Now that you mention it, why don't we farm whales for oil
And now I wish for somebody to include this into their fictional universe. If any proffesional writer reads this, pay attention!
Because we don't need to generate the energy, therefore it's got a cost advantage, even though the true cost of it is that it contributes massively to climate problems.
That is: batteries must be charged, the plants to make biofuels must absorb solar energy for at least half a year to have energy present, the solar panels to power the grid must sit and soak up that energy, generators must be physically turned for hydro.
the only things that have pre-existing energy that we just "tap for free" are oil, coal, natural gas, and nuclear.
the best track for us to go on is to go for 3rd or 4th gen nuclear, and sodium ion batteries, imo. Solar is a close second. Hydro would be up there, but it's too disruptive ecologically.
I wouldn't attach myself to any particular battery tech - the field is innovating too rapidly.
Solar and nuclear can go hand in hand. Solar is great because the amout of potential harvestable power is massive - the trick is producing panels, connecting them to the grid, transmission, load balancing, and storage.
Wind is nice right now, as it is a relatively untapped resource. But we'll run out of windy places far faster than sunny places.
Hydro is ecologically destructive, but has an even bigger problem, which is that we have already picked a lot of the low hanging fruit. Good locations for dams are difficult to find, and we've already found most of them and dammed many of them. We would rapidly face diminishing returns. Plus, silt is always a looming problem.
Though, the real solution is to simply tax carbon.
Agreed all around, with one caveat.
On chemistry - Sodium Ion is a pretty solid bet for many reasons - material availability, energy density by weight, longevity (for some chemistries - others are only comparable to lithium), low-temperature operation for charge and discharge, cost, power (charge and discharge speed), very high round-trip efficiency.. Also, it's ecologically sound, in comparison with any other battery tech out there currently, and it's at the beginning of it's innovation arc. Also, it's a tech heavily invested in by China, which has already spurred competition in other countries.
I'll be attaching myself to that chemistry here in the next couple years to the tune of what I expect to be about ~$8k for about 50kwh of battery, as I'll need a bank of them for my place soon that can handle quite a few days without sunlight while running a modest workshop and basic home needs. I might need to go larger than that, but.. ..energy storage isn't cheap, and I can add to that at any time, unlike with lead acid storage.
These are misconceptions, or rather a bit out of date.
Wind and solar are much cheaper than fossil fuels now. Significantly cheaper.
And is an old school investment bank presenting this information.
Even for running a car, using solar-produced electricity is a fraction of the cost of gasoline; gas is 3-5x more expensive.
And nuclear is not anywhere near as cheap as wind or solar unfortunately, although we haven’t put much effort into making it more efficient for a few decades now so that might change.
two big reasons:
we don't have replacement energy sources at scale (this is of course party caused by inflated demand eg. data centers, always-on electronics)
energy production is heavily subsidized in that so-called external costs are paid by the public instead of the companies
Until we can both reduce demand and increase supply, while also making corporations pay the cost of the pollution they produce, we're stuck with this shit.
The mix of actual reasonable answers and "everyone here despises capitalism, so I'll just blame it on conspiracies involving the rich" answers is quite interesting.
The simplest answer is that almost everyone is motivated by what they can get out of a thing, and petroleum is cheaper than the alternatives. The infrastructure is already in place, and the downsides (including climate change) are paid for by everyone, not just the producers and biggest consumers.
Money.
Exactly.