Are we the baddies?
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They are.
Because a swastika would be too on-the-nose (this unforgivable piece of shit admitted as much when confronted by a reporter)
In possibly the greatest historical irony, Israelis are the new Nazis
As an American Jew, I am HORRIFIED by this, and everything else Israel has been doing for the last several years
What’s the average view among American Jews?
Fuck this Nazi shit
American Jew here, i concur
Have you ever heard the saying that regular Muslims need to stand up to extremist fundamentalists? See how difficult it is to stand up to this bullshit? Are you gonna have sympathy for Muslims now? See how easy it is to fall for a Reichstag fire event? Are you gonna have sympathy for Germans now?
To be fair, many Jews are standing up. It's just that nearly every Jewish institution is corrupted by Israel
An excellent point you make, which all of us, in all cultural-traditions/"nations"/"religions" ought be relentlessly aware-of.
Salut, Namaste, Kaizen, & Gratitude for your insight.
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As far as I can tell most synagogues aren't that cool, though. The ones remotely nearby to me give Zionist vibes.
It's a shame, I was planning to reconnect with my heritage right before Oct. 7.
Same. Its more rare but there are definitely temples that arent zionist still
Hopefully you mean several decades, or even 100+ years. Nothing they've been doing now is particularly new to them. Maybe just a larger, louder magnitude.
The state of Israel is not even 80 years old.
You should study some history
I have. Enough to know that Zionism, and Zionist militias pre-date Israel, were folded together to create the IDF, and were doing fucked up shit then, and continue to do so now. Maybe you should study some history yourself.
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It's time we stopped pretending that Israel was a little pocket of Europe and recognize that it's a brutal theocratic regime. The biggest difference between Israel and States like Saudi Arabia and Iran is the branding.
I stopped. I was very pro Israel back in the day. Even said “well Israel wants to divide the country while hamas wants all Jews dead… I have to side with the Jews”
But then they did a genocide and it’s like “well there goes that theory”
No one likes to be wrong but what’s worse is continuing to be wrong after you know.
I don’t know the solution but I’ve changed my mind on the problem.
The secret is Israel was always doing a genocide.
Always is very broad term. I can tell you during ww2 they were not genocideing Palestine.
I agree that this was ramping up for longer than I knew but using words like “always” only hurts the cause .
A single verse: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+20%3A17&version=CJB
The original founding of Israel, millenia-ago, was on the bedrock of genociding.
I presume that there's been ebb-&-flow in motivation, .. but I've seen Jewish discussions asking why there was sooo much genociding, in the founding of Judaism..
All this recent world-history, though, has caused me to understand something that I was too stupid to understand, before:
ALL genociding is rooted in narcissism.
Maybe "national" narcissism, maybe "personal" narcissism, maybe "ideological" narcissism, but ALL of it is rooted in narcissism, & sociopathy ( induced ) or psychopathy ( intrinsic brain-defect of deficient/zero empathy ), to boot.
Therefore anyone wanting to root-out genociding, has to root-out narcissism, genociding's origin..
That change-in-perspective means differentiating between the symptoms, vs the origin/cause, & if the cause is narcissism, which we ALL ( all demographies, all cultures, all languages, all populations ) have in us, & then have our culture intentionally & systematically amplify..
.. that makes things much more impersonal, more systemic, more civilization-scale-correction is required ..
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It was apartheid. Now it's also genocide
You are so close. Why stop half way there. Look into the founding of Israel. It was always colonial and Zionist. Jews lived in Palestine before Israel. Peacefully with their Palestinian neighbors. The middle east wasn't even the first place the UK and USA were looking to relocate the Jews to.
For a time they were looking to the jungles of South America. But the Zionists wouldn't have it. Hijacking the process and demanding Palestine. After what happened to the Jewish people as a whole. (Though not most of the wealthy Zionists demanding Palestine. As they all fled with their families early.) There was a lot of sympathy collectively. And for many reasons the UK and allies finally caved on Palestine. So instead of moving and integrating with the local peoples and culture. They came rolling up with the aid of two large bullies to steal the land from under the people living in it. Day one minute one.
That isn't to say that this was all or is all the people living in Israel. Just the leadership the whole time.
That was us not Israel. It was us saying “we want them freed… but don’t send them here!”
It’s complicated. That’s why say I don’t know what’s “right “ but I can tell what’s “wrong”
What’s going on now is wrong. I don’t think it’s fair to just say “the other guys are right, give it to them”
It’s complicated. But we all agree what is happening right now is wrong. That’s our common ground.
Israel used to be a lush forest. The further back you go the more complicated it gets.
We can agree “right now… this is wrong!”
Your position is the careful & considered position of someone who's earning real experience-induced-understanding, in this world, 1 of the kinds of wisdom..
Carefulness-with-meaning is one of the fundamental signs of inner-maturity, in AwakeSoulism/Buddhism..
"right speech" it is called..
The "ALPHA/successfully-bullying is what VALID means!!" ideology/rabies will never value, let-alone respect, it, .. but some of us, who've also earned enough experience-induced-understanding to be careful, value it when we see it..
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That’s what I’m going for. I want to be the best I can be and it’s a long road of gaining wisdom. I don’t ever expect to be perfect but I challenge myself to be better.
It was "only" displacement, colonization, and (smaller) ethnic cleansing at that time
Edit: here's a list of bombings by the Irgun, a Zionist militia and terrorist organization (who were eventually folded into the IDF) during (and after) WW2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks
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That's only if you stop the WW2 timeline abruptly and not include the Nakba where's Jews "removed" 750k Palestians off their land.
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If your argument is that an entity that didn't exist wasn't able to do a thing, so "always" didn't apply, it's a stupid argument not worth bringing up
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Also the tremendous amounts of resources.
Israel hardly has any natural resources. They get a huge amount of outside money and material support. Most of their GDP is from manufacturing, especially computer and medical equipment, and software. But their #1 export is cut diamonds apparently, TIL.
Why are Israeli lawmakers wearing gold nooses?
To symbolize that they need to be hanged for crimes against humanity?
Itamar Ben-Gvir became Israel’s security minister.
Fun fact:
In the days leading up to the attack, that guy was spending his time giving interviews about how spitting on Christians is a harmless tradition that needed to be protected rather than discouraged
He was such an extremist at 18, that he was banned from joining the IDF even though they force people to join.
And that's not even getting into his connections to assassinations and car bombing...
Apparently he went on his first date with his now wife to the grave of Baruch Goldstein, a mass murderer and terrorist. He also had/has a picture/portrait of Goldstein in his living room.
That's totally fried
Jeezzus.. So, like, cartoon villain evil; got it.
Because even the distilled evil that is Ben-Gvir can't help but look like a pathetic edgelord in an attempt to look tough
Ben-Gvir himself should be tried and punished for his participation in the conspiracy to murder Yizhak Rabin.
Hang them by those nooses.
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