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More than 110 Palestinian prisoners have died from torture and mistreatment since Itamar Ben-Gvir became Israel’s security minister. Now he wants the power to hang them.

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[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You are so close. Why stop half way there. Look into the founding of Israel. It was always colonial and Zionist. Jews lived in Palestine before Israel. Peacefully with their Palestinian neighbors. The middle east wasn't even the first place the UK and USA were looking to relocate the Jews to.

For a time they were looking to the jungles of South America. But the Zionists wouldn't have it. Hijacking the process and demanding Palestine. After what happened to the Jewish people as a whole. (Though not most of the wealthy Zionists demanding Palestine. As they all fled with their families early.) There was a lot of sympathy collectively. And for many reasons the UK and allies finally caved on Palestine. So instead of moving and integrating with the local peoples and culture. They came rolling up with the aid of two large bullies to steal the land from under the people living in it. Day one minute one.

That isn't to say that this was all or is all the people living in Israel. Just the leadership the whole time.

[–] Aeao@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That was us not Israel. It was us saying “we want them freed… but don’t send them here!”

It’s complicated. That’s why say I don’t know what’s “right “ but I can tell what’s “wrong”

What’s going on now is wrong. I don’t think it’s fair to just say “the other guys are right, give it to them”

It’s complicated. But we all agree what is happening right now is wrong. That’s our common ground.

Israel used to be a lush forest. The further back you go the more complicated it gets.

We can agree “right now… this is wrong!”

[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Your position is the careful & considered position of someone who's earning real experience-induced-understanding, in this world, 1 of the kinds of wisdom..

Carefulness-with-meaning is one of the fundamental signs of inner-maturity, in AwakeSoulism/Buddhism..

"right speech" it is called..

The "ALPHA/successfully-bullying is what VALID means!!" ideology/rabies will never value, let-alone respect, it, .. but some of us, who've also earned enough experience-induced-understanding to be careful, value it when we see it..

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[–] Aeao@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

That’s what I’m going for. I want to be the best I can be and it’s a long road of gaining wisdom. I don’t ever expect to be perfect but I challenge myself to be better.