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[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

“He has good morals and ethics”

How could he possibly if he has devoted his life to creating weapons? What’s his response if and when his guns are used for violence, be it murder, suicide, armed robbery, etc? Even if he is “small time” for “enthusiasts” of the “sport” it is only a matter of time until this occurs. How does he reconcile this? That it’s not the guns fault? Just the glamorization of them, the obscene amount of them, the fact that they are readily available, pushing it onto “mental health”, or some other scapegoat that allows him to escape accountability for facilitating mortal violence.

I hope your friend goes out business and his entire industry collapses.

[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

His response, as is mine, is that what people use his guns for simply isn't his business. If people used Stanley hammers to beat people to death, would it mean that Stanley was an immoral company? Or would it mean that people used the product in an unlawful and immoral way?

I happen to very, very strongly believe in 2A, and I think that the US is in the shitstorm it is currently in in no small part because liberals--but not leftists--have been working their asses off to disarm themselves. And I will note that the person in question has consistently employed furries--he loves their work ethic--and strongly supports the rights of LGBTQ+ people to arm themselves.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Hammers are tools used to build things that someone can decide to use as a weapon. Firearms, specifically handguns and semi automatic AR-style long guns, are literally designed for the sole purpose of ending a human life. Not at all a valid comparison.

[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

What it was designed for, and what it's used for, are two different things, as you already agreed. Even if you truly, absolutely believe that the only purpose of a handgun or removable-magazine-fed semi-automatic rifle is to kill other people, then you would also have to admit that the overwhelming majority of them never are used to fulfill their purpose; the number that do are, compared to the number that exist, practically a rounding error. There are literally more guns in non-police/non-military hands in the US than there are people. There are far, far more defensive gun uses annually--regardless of who measures it and how--than there are gun homicides.

And bluntly, I absolutely DO NOT trust the gov't to be the only ones with access to firearms. If you can look at Trump, ICE, Hegseth's DoD, cops in general, and say, oh, yeah, I shouldn't be armed, but those guys are cool, well, I don't know what to tell you. And I don't trust ANY gov't to not harm the people, because there's no way to prevent fascists from taking control without also becoming authoritarian.

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