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First of all, carbon footprint in China is already far lower than in any developed country. Second, as I already pointed out, most countries simply outsourced their production to China.

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China's already doing this with nuclear, so there's a good chance they might do this with data centers too. https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/articles/chinas-first-commercial-nuclear-district-heating-scheme-expands

That's just saying that China is one of the most populous countries in the world that also happens to be a global manufacturing hub. China still uses fossil fuels, but I think it's fair to call it an electrostate at this point.

• China’s carbon emissions have been in a structural decline since 2023 https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/13/chinas-carbon-emissions-set-for-structural-decline-from-next-year
• Clean energy was top driver of China’s economic growth in 2023 https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-clean-energy-was-top-driver-of-chinas-economic-growth-in-2023/
• China installed more solar in 2025 than rest of the world combined https://electrek.co/2025/09/02/h1-2025-china-installs-more-solar-than-rest-of-the-world-combined/
• China’s solar capacity surges; predicted to top 1 TW by 2026 https://www.rystadenergy.com/news/china-s-solar-capacity-surges-expected-to-top-1-tw-by-2026
• China is also building out nuclear at a breakneck pace https://www.economist.com/china/2023/11/30/china-is-building-nuclear-reactors-faster-than-any-other-country
• New energy vehicles account for 77.6% of China's public transport system https://www.shine.cn/news/nation/2403089981/

Finally, it's also worth noting that China has a concrete plan for becoming carbon neutral, which it's already ahead of

• https://www.visualcapitalist.com/chinas-energy-transition-in-5-charts/

The fact of the matter is that air is an incredibly inefficient thermal conductor so data centers have to burn a massive amount of extra electricity just to run powerful fans and chillers to force that heat away. That extra energy consumption means an air cooled facility is responsible for generating significantly more total heat for the planet than a liquid cooled one.

When you put servers in the ocean you utilize the natural thermal conductivity of water which is about 24 times higher than air and allows you to strip out the active cooling infrastructure entirely. You end up with a system that puts far less total energy into the environment because you aren't wasting power fighting thermodynamics. Even though the ocean holds that heat longer the volume of water is so vast that the local temperature impact dissipates to nothing within a few meters of the vessel.

that's literally the case https://www.mintpressnews.com/jessica-ashooh-reddit-national-security-state-plant/277639/

Yes, it is a fallacy because the problem is with the economy system as opposed to a specific technology. The liberal tendency often defaults to a form of procedural opposition such as voting against, boycotting, or attempting to regulate a problem out of existence without seizing the means to effect meaningful change. It's an idealist mindset that mistakes symbolic resistance for tangible action. Capitalism is a a system based around consumption, and it will continue to use up resources at an accelerating rate regardless of what specific technology is driving the consumption.

We had a discussion about AI at work. Our consensus was that it doesn't matter how you want to do your work. What matters is the result, not the process. Are you writing clean code and on finishing tasks on time? That's the metric. How you get there is up to you.

The fallacy here is the assumption that if LLMs didn't exist then we wouldn't find other ways to use that power.

seems like the opposite is happening in practice with models drastically increasing in efficiency

original snes super mario world is still a blast, tetris is another game that's still fun

Hypersonics cover a wide range of stuff, what this article discusses are cheap low end missiles as opposed to something like Oreshnik.