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China has a hypersonic missile for under 100k, and there are F150 Ford trucks that are more expensive than that (defencesecurityasia.com)

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago

F150s will kill a lot more people though

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago

yet, the F150's are considerably more destructive to the planet. lol

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago

this is what it looks like when your military procurement isn't centered around the profit motive

[–] Sims@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago

But at what cost ? ..no, wait.. never mind..

[–] Greg@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

The missile probably has better range too

[–] ashenone@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But can you put a massive non functional lift kit on the missile?

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Depends, are you China? Because if not, then probably not.

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Cool, two super pointless things that cost a lot of money.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago

Not so pointless when the burger reich is surrounding you with military bases.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip -4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I've read analysts who say that the price is unrealistically low. I think the same.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's right, if one thing western analysts are famous for it's never being wrong about China's tech capabilities.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago

Even if it's 10 times more expensive it's still half to quarter price of Tomahawk missile.

[+] TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website -16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Clearly not, because the US has the biggest population of prison slaves on the planet and shit is still wildly expensive here

[+] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works -15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is a classic trope of American apologia. You pick a thing where we're clearly the worst, then just say that (Other country) is probably worse than us, but just expertly lying and hiding it, and hey both are bad and there's totally evidence (no evidence provided) so really there's no point in differentiating between these two totally equivalent things (that are incredibly different) and the correct answer is to be above it all (never having to admit you're wrong).

It's the final layer of imperial propaganda. Nobody can say with a straight face that the US is good anymore, so we cope by saying that everyone else is secretly just as bad or worse, so why bother taking a side?

[+] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works -14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 days ago

It's imperial propaganda to project the proven sins of the empire onto the enemies of empire without proof. The empire justifies itself by demonizing its enemies and delegitimizing support for any actual alternative to its reign.

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Its imperial propaganda to say slavery is wrong?

It's imperial propaganda to respond to the fact that we are the biggest slave state by implying that the countries the empire wants you to hate are probably secretly worse. You didn't get that idea on your own, you learned to yadda yadda into equivocating the incomparable the same way we all did: through constant exposure to imperial media.

To take the side of the oppressed against the oppressor no matter who they are?

To pretend that everyone is an oppressor just like us, yes. That is imperial propaganda, designed to foster hopelessness and disengagement. If you confronted someone who was abusing their children to an absurd degree, and they responded by saying "Psh, everyone does it, probably", you would immediately see that for the weak deflection that it is. It's no different here.

You know there are more sides then just those in control of the state in both the US and Chinese governments right?

"You know there are more sides than just the police and the parent here, right?"

Not when it comes to this argument. In this specific argument there are exactly two sides: what is known and verifiable on the one hand, and the habit of vague, proofless insinuation we were taught to engage in from childhood on the other. It's a coping mechanism, a way to make up reasons for the obvious not to be true when it makes us uncomfortable. In this case, the obvious is that we are the world's biggest perpetrator of the evil of slavery, and the cope is the fantasy that those sneaky Chinese are probably worse but hiding it.

[+] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works -11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

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[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

Its defeatist to just accept evil. Call it out. Its not normal. Its not ok.

Why do y'all libs write like you're auditioning for speechwriter in The West Wing lmao. Dork behaviour.

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Mind you this thread STARTED with a callout of slavery in China, was whataboutismed to include modern American slavery.

This thread started with you lazily repeating a jingoist cliche with no evidence, and me pointing out that our government are both world-historical liars and provably guilty of that exact crime at an unprecedented scale. It's like saying "this thread started with a callout of Miss Rachel's cannibalism, and was whataboutismed to include Richard Chase." Or "This thread started with a callout of Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons, and was whataboutismed to include the United States." This is not a matter of two equally guilty parties, this is a matter of what the world's biggest propaganda machine says about other countries to justify horrifying acts against them.

I am actually opposed. I vote, organize, boycott, strike, etc against it.

That's good, but makes it all the more important that you understand the dynamic at play here. Would you casually accuse Venezuela of being a narco state in league with jihadists, as the news here has insanely suggested? Of course not, because you would recognize that that's a story cooked up to justify American hostility towards Venezuela. "Chinese slavery" is no different. If you're on the side of the overwhelming masses of humanity, you have to be able to recognize this bullshit when you see it, or else you may find yourself repeating tall tales invented to justify people's repression by the world capitalist empire.

Its defeatist to just accept evil. Call it out. Its not normal. Its not ok.

Correct, it's not normal or tolerated in most of the world, including China. The only countries saying it is normal there are the countries who are themselves guilty of it and seeking to muddy the waters by projecting their crimes, like how Israel accuses Hamas of harboring genocidal intent. You need to be more discerning about believing what the countries where slavery is legal and normal say about the countries where it isn't. Of course the slave states are going to try to tell you that everyone is doing it, that it's "whataboutism" to focus on their well-documented crimes and not on the crimes they want you to believe, with no evidence, that their rivals are committing. It's on you to be smarter than that.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's right China is constructing robot internment camps!

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

Everyone knows it's cheaper to wait for humans to reproduce and grow (and die in shitty preventable conditions) than it is to invest your manpower in constant reindustrialization.

I think that was the lesson of the US Civil War.