MudMan

For the record, not an American. Which, you know, I thought was obvious from my post, but hey.

I'd add that there's a difference between caring about outcomes and not having values but, honesly, this is not a conversation worth having.

It takes a prodigious amount of entitlement to look at things that way. The leap of logic from a tangible action to... some other thing that happened requires keeping the loosest possible tally and looking at international politics strictly from the lens of how it affects your worldview, rather than the actual impact on the ground.

No, my dear online performative leftist, the US deciding to reverse their policy and cut tens of billions of international aid is not "the same" as whatever war, political stance or act of interference you vaguely remember being mad about a decade ago. They can both be bad without both being the same.

I mean, never mind that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were started by Bush, in turn the proto-Trump that opened the door for the fascist base to encroach on the US right, the fact that those things happened doesn't mean that the new, different thing Trump did that none of his predecessors did isn't worse than what their predecessors were doing. The people that relied on US aid relied on US aid, independently of whatever US tanks were doing thousands of kilometers away.

Trump also reversed policy regarding Israel, incidentally, with the recognition of Jerusalem and moving the embassy. That's the type of false equivalence that led to him being in power in the first place. Because man, I was not on board with Biden's stance on Palestine, and I am sure Harris would have been way too lenient with Israel for my tastes, but if you think that's the same as openly suggesting mass displacement for the sake of turning Gaza into a tourist resort and that it made no diplomatic difference in how fast and what type of ceasefire could have been attained you're out of your mind.

And this is the last I say about it. I have zero patience for this type of willful ignorance in general, but I also have no energy to be angry. Thanks for the reminder that leaving even a tiny crack for US politics, even if it's coming from the left, is way too much. The entire thing is toxic. Malign actor indeed.

Buuuullshit.

Utter garbage.

Extremely nope.

It takes deliberate ignorance to reach that conclusion. Forget the cuts in aid, which an article two posts up the chain here was directly linking to a worsening of cholera in South Sudan, the notion that anybody in Brazil or Mexico is going "I can't tell the difference" is ludicrous. Your mileage may vary on whether Trump invading Venezuela is a good or a bad thing, but I'm pretty sure the regime there isn't going "same thing, really".

I guess the Argentitian government would say things are better now, considering they just got bailed out in what amounts to buying a midterm election. In that case I'd wager it's the opposition who doesn't find things were just as bad a couple years ago.

What the hell do you have to be on to think only Europe has noticed open fascists being in charge in the US. This is why I've been taking a break from this place, holy crap.

I mean, "now" is doing a lot of load-bearing work in that sentence, but it's also hard to argue it isn't markedly worse than it used to be.

I guess unless you're Russia and their circle. I'm starting to wonder about China, too, considering the geopolitical wedgie they're giving the US right now.

No, please, free me from this. Because in my head I'm super annoyed at how well this seems to work and I need rescuing from an expert.