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"I don't use social media."

You can't prove a negative. Shift the onus back onto them. Any attempt at them trying to connect the dots should be met with "That user is not me, any similarities in their name is purely coincidental."

Create a bogus email not tied to any social media and they won't have a leg to stand on.

Not to mention how incredibly difficult that enforcing such a policy would be. Could you imagine the manpower required for people to trawl through 5 years of social media history searching for verboten political speech against Dear Leader? Wouldn't be surprised if they tried to use AI for this, since they'd have a hard time finding enough die-hard Trump loyalists to pack into the DHS to actually perform the background checks at the rate they would need to happen...

Better yet, just avoid coming to this rapidly declining country in the first place.

Fair enough.

I'm not typically a betting man, but I would be willing to go all in on that not being the reason they seized the ship.

This administration tends to do what comes natural to them first (do illegal shit) and then search for an excuse later for why it was necessary when confronted about it.

I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually came to the same conclusion that you did, but only after Trump or one of his stooges brags about doing it for other reasons.

lmao, bro, I can't force them to fight. I'm just a guy on the other end of the computer. I think you don't understand what the word "support" means.

I support Ukraine's right to independence and freedom.

I support the cessation of hostilities in the region.

I do not support surrender to Russia. Why would I? Choosing to fight and choosing not to fight are two diametrically opposed concepts. Therefore, I do not support a resolution in which Ukraine gives up land to Russia, period.

It’s pretty clear that when this war most likely ends via negotiation and a land concession,

Don't hold your breath on this one, Chief.

all the gung ho support we see in threads like this one is going to evaporate.

Wow, what a stunning prediction. Next are you going to predict that the sun will come back up again after it goes down?

Regardless of how the war ends, the support generally ends with it. That's how thing things tend to work. it's pretty hard to care about a think when the thing is no longer happening. If Ukraine achieved victory through martial victory alone and ended the war purely on their terms, my support would also evaporate because the war would be over.

Your negotiation with the used car salesman doesn’t end when you get half off sticker price and the salesman gets sticker price. That’s just a contradiction.

What kind of idiotic analogy is this? I can't even wrap my head around it.

Regardless… called it what you want: surrender, capitulation, conceding territory, etc… it’s just semantics.

No, it's really not just "semantics". Words have specific meaning.

I completely believe that the majority of Ukrainians want a negotiated end to the war. War sucks and everybody who has had to live trough one will tell you so. But if the "negotiation" is Russia saying "Give us all the territory we have occupied/seized so far, plus some additional territory that we have not yet occupied, and we will withdraw our troops." that's not a negotiation. That's conditional surrender. I really doubt that the people are clamoring to surrender their land and homes to Russian occupiers.

Suppose the Ukrainian people wish to surrender. Would you still stand with them?

I suspect that no matter what I think the Ukrainian people should do, if they decide that they are ready to give up the fight, then that's none of my business. I'm not in the trenches with a rifle, after all.

But if they Ukrainian people want to continue to fight, and negotiate for a favorable peace agreement, I'm all for supporting them so that they can win and make all the bloodshed so far worth it.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that Zelenskyy has a better grasp of the pulse of his own citizens than any of us do.

A negotiation typically ends when both parties get what they want. Maybe they don't get everything they want, but they are happy enough with the results to accept the terms.

Capitulation is not negotiating, it's literally giving up many concessions for nothing in return.

Keep in mind that Ukraine was tricked once already with the Crimean war peace deal that saw them give up territory. Russia invaded again and the U.S. turned a blind eye to their aggression for a second time despite repeated promises of security.

You would have to be an idiot to take any deal that gives up territory at this point. That's not a negotiation, it's just surrender. It's kicking the can down the road to give Russia time to recoup their losses and invade again in a few more years.

The United States has proven to be an unreliable ally in the best of times, so why would they accept a peace deal brokered by a pedophile conman?

I'm not sure how to feel about the fact that I can't look at an image anymore and not find some way to interpret the vague shapes as Saddam Hussein.