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Children as young as 11 who demonstrate misogynistic behaviour will be taught the difference between pornography and real relationships, as part of a multimillion-pound investment to tackle misogyny in England’s schools, the Guardian understands.

On the eve of the government publishing its long-awaited strategy to halve violence against women and girls (VAWG) in a decade, David Lammy told the Guardian that the battle “begins with how we raise our boys”, adding that toxic masculinity and keeping girls and women safe were “bound together”.

As part of the government’s flagship strategy, which was initially expected in the spring, teachers will be able to send young people at risk of causing harm on behavioural courses, and will be trained to intervene if they witness disturbing or worrying behaviour.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 hours ago

I don’t think porn is to blame for that, rather social media but at least there’s learning.

[–] horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I mean this sounds entirely sensible.

But I do worry what a bureaucratic system is likely to decide a normal relationship looks like won't capture reality either.

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 hours ago

Hopefully they use it as a lesson in consent. And leave it at that.

I don't know enough about England's politics to form an opinion on how they will actually end up botching it, but I feel like it's going to be botched.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 124 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Waaay better than the porn bans and online age verification schemes, honestly.

I question why this is just for "children who show mysoginistic behavior", though. Sex ed should be universal, and this should be a major part of sex ed.

I assume the fear here is parents complaining about their kids being talked about porn, which may end up being a larger underlying issue than the porn itself. I guess you just have to trust that education professionals handle the opportunity well and this doesn't become a stern talking to for problem kids, which is likely to do as much as stern talking tos have done historically.

[–] Sine_Fine_Belli@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, I agree with you on this

[–] sleen@lemmy.zip 11 points 13 hours ago

I agree, at least they're actually focusing on an actual real world issue that widely impacts individuals. It is to point out, the highlight that only boys are talked about it - is oddly counter intuitive. If equality is the issue, then single sided efforts are going to further reinforce negative stereotypes.

And the point about sex-ed, is that it should be mandatory in education - it is a science like all and it prepares older children for when they become teenagers. Even so, stereotypical differences could be abolished if sexuality was formally talked in schools - after all we are all human, no matter what we have under there.

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[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 hours ago

I guess one good thing will come of this porn panic in England.

Still think there's a lot better things the labour government could be doing with their massive majority.

[–] sircac@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

The healthiest thing is a decent sexual education to tackle all the topics rather than only this issue in these cases... but very welcome anyway

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 50 points 17 hours ago (32 children)

Is porn really behind the misogyny? What about the tards in the so-called "manosphere" saying all sorts of crazy and immoral shit? Those have more reach than whatever extremely weird pornography is supposed to be at fault. Is this what not being able to say "this is objectively wrong/right" because of Western moral relativism leads to?

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 67 points 17 hours ago (13 children)

It's in the article and it's very good. You should read it.

Preventing young men being harmed by “manosphere” influencers such as Andrew Tate.

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[–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 18 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Thing is the specific guy we're all thinking of ran a porn company. One with little consent.

I do think porn is a symptom not a cause and targetting it wont actually help. Mistreatment of women wasnt exactly rare in say the 50s, even if it wasnt filmed for money.

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[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 6 points 13 hours ago

Futanari isn't misogynistic, so I'm assuming this law would be OK with it.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

I think it is overall a good thing that the UK is trying to make some progress. It is disappointing that it’s come to teaching 11 year olds about pornography.

As much as porn may be a factor, there’s a lot more beyond that single factor that is involved - reminiscent of video games causing mass shootings.

Parenting and parental examples are a huge component of teaching kids to be responsible adults. When I was a kid, parental controls if they existed were a challenge that I worked on learning to circumvent (and I learned a lot about computers), but today they’re pretty bulletproof. But parents don’t use them at all. There’s not even an attempt made to limit screen time or exposure to pornography.

It’s not just parents of course; tech companies are absolutely responsible as well. It’s a complex issue.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

reminiscent of video games causing mass shootings

None of the many scientific studies into this claim has found any evidence of its validity.

Instead there is evidence that it is a byproduct of good ol’ racism, as it is used most often to try to explain why a white child would walk into a school and start killing. Because there must be an external reason right? It’s not like Timmy was one of those inherently violent blacks.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 hours ago

Yes that’s my point.

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