I feel like past a certain point it's moot to compare degrees of evil
Lefty Memes
An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.
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Rules
0. Only post socialist memes
That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme. Please post agitprop here)
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When writing stuff like "lol" and "iirc", it's a good idea to try and replace those with their all caps counterpart
- ofc => OFC
- af = AF
- ok => OK
- lol => LOL
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- bs => BS
- iirc => IIRC
- cia => CIA
- nato => Nato (you don't spell it when talking, right?)
- usa => USA
- prc => PRC
- etc.
Why? Because otherwise (AFAIK), screen readers will try to read them out as actually words instead of spelling them
1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here
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The only dangerous minority is the rich.
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Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.
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I would have said this a few years ago before I knew Zionists would riot for their right to rape. I think that maybe puts them a little ahead.
Considering Americans used to eat black people and fought a whole war so they could keep doing that…
Eat? I'm sorry, what? American here that really wishes I wasn't but eating people was never a "thing" and we definitely never fought a war for cannibalism. Not saying we wouldn't, we've fought wars for less, but never for that.
Google “the delectable negro” and maybe shut your mouth?
Who did the Americans fight in that war?
Half the country (millions of people) that was cool with eating black people…
You must mean the Confederacy. We kicked their asses to end slavery.
Slavery didn't end in the civil war, it was nationalized. Go back and read the 14th amendment, it made slavery legal in every state even the ones that had outlawed it.
I'm aware. However, in the context of this conversation, I'd still rather be in an an American prison than an Israeli.
Is that truly what you believe? Half of America just wanted slaves to be free so they fought a war over it? Be serious…
Maybe choose a different word than eat. White Texans to this day mostly eat BBQ beef because pork is "black people food" so they would definitely never eat black people.
Seek help, bud. I wish you the best of luck.
Woodard examines the sexual nature of documented instances of flesh-eating and details the various manners of consumption whereby Black Americans were metaphorically or actually eaten. In the book, Woodard defines consumption as a range of parasitic practices, including institutionalized hunger, seasoning rituals, and sexual modes of consumption.
None of those are, nor have ever been mainstream. The entire Confederacy/South wasn't eating black people and certainly not the whole country.
Yeah, eating black people was mostly done by slave owners. You thought the poors were getting a slice? Lmao.
Its pretty awful, I'm not defending Americans here; I'm saying Zionists are innovators.
Valid
It’s hard not to see the US and Israel as two faces of the same genocidal entity, to be honest.
No, America has overall killed more people, largely because they have a bigger military and affect on the world. Israel, on the other hand with a weaker military has been able to execute horrors in Gaza beyond our imagination. They're government is far more on the fascist side and on the Apartheid side even compared to Trump's America.
America is also bad though obviously the Vietnam war, Korean war where America basically carpet bombed North Korea killing hundreds of thousand of civilians, and dozens of coupes and destabilization of other countries.
unironically saying “trumps America” while the US has been thoroughly worse and more destructive than Israel since its inception. America SUCCESSFULLY genocided an entire population, across countless communities over a massive piece of land. They also built their country through slavery. Israel hasn’t done either of those things and that’s only talking about the inception of America. Read a book my man.
You make it sound like America is somehow unique in that regard. All you're really saying is that it's big and was colonized late. The whole world is pretty much populated by the people on the winning side of genocides. Read more books my man.
Lmao what? I did not imply at all that America is unique in their oppressive history, just that they are worse than Israel… You got brainwashed mate.
Is Canada worse than Israel too? Mexico? Brazil? The rest of South America? And what about Europe that sent all the colonists in the first place? "Worse than Israel" is a pretty damn big group then. It's a dumb way to argue however you slice it.
Is Canada worse than Israel too? Mexico? Brazil? The rest of Aouth America? And what about Europe?
lmao YES! is this a serious question? You really thought you ate here 🤣
You really said “what about Europe?” I’m dying right now.
How TF is Canada currently (or ever) worse than Israel, in any way? I dare you to reasonably justify that statement. If you can, it'll be fucking mind blowing, because I'm giving it 0% at the moment.
Insane response. Canada committed a successful genocide where they fully usurped the land from the natives (Israel hasn’t even accomplished this yet), and even had a separate school system for natives up until the 90s where these children were tortured, abused and forced to assimilate. Additionally, Canada has aided and abetted the entire Israel project, so they are responsible in part for Israel’s depravity.
I haven’t even mentioned the Japanese concentration camps in Canada, or their collaboration with literal Nazis…
Yeah, you’re out of your depths here buddy.
You need medication.
lol, you got so thoroughly owned you can’t even attempt a response.
It's impossible to reason with someone who can't reason. You're so far gone that you're like the people saying the CIA is in cahoots with bigfoot and the loch ness monster to keep little Caesars from overtaking dominos and Pizza Hut. I can't even say you're the left wing version of that person because spacecraft don't have wings.
Everything I said a verifiable historical fact and not remotely controversial. This is just a weird coping mechanism…
Being wrong about something can be a little jarring, but this is just bizarre. Still no attempt to disprove anything I said.
Like your take that Canada or Peru or Chile are as evil as Israel? Lesser crimes against humanity that happened decades ago don't compare to such a blatant crime against humanity that's currently occuring.
Time based morality doesn’t make any sense to me and seems like cope tbh.
I can’t speak for Peru and Chile, but Canada is certainly more evil than Israel. Europe as well. Their crimes are not “lesser” they are worse. That isnt a remotely hot take if you know anything about history. Sorry buddy.
Time based morality doesn’t make any sense to me
Sure it does. You just start the clock right after your last evil ancestor.
At least someone is on the same page as me lol
Israel is the 51st state after all
Don't be silly. States don't have universal healthcare
And free college and subsidies per child
The US is an Israeli colony it seems then