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[โ€“] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago (24 children)

The following can all be true:

  • The Democrats are a right wing neoliberal party.
  • The Democrats are the most left-wing option that is realistically available to American voters.
  • The Democrats can be pushed further left if American progressives work to do so.
  • The Democrats - at the party level - will resist such a change, but that resistance can still be overcome.
  • In the long term, massive structural overhauls and the downfall of capitalism are the only things that will save America and the world
  • In the near term, voting consistly and enthusiastically for the least bad option can still protect vulnerable groups from harm and create changes that lay the groundwork for those structural overhauls.
[โ€“] Objection@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

The funny thing about this is that if it were possible to reform the democratic party, it would only be through demanding change, and credibly threatening defection if those demands are not met. By setting conditions and giving those conditions teeth. What you're suggesting is just asking nicely for people to act directly contrary to their material interests and hoping for the best. It's complete nonsense.

Also lol at "enthusiastically voting." Yes, it's very important that you not only bend the knee to your corporate masters completely unconditionally, but that you do so with a smile on your face. You can trust me, I'm a leftist just like you, see how I say all the language about needing the downfall of capitalism?

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