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I am genuinely trying to get better at art. I'm not there yet (likely never will be), the lying machine is still better than me.

The context:

This is my sketch.

And this is what the ai output.

I like to think I poured my heart and soul into it. I know there are people who will tell me that I'm terrible for using ai at all. I'm also sorry if this is the wrong community to ask this question (ask reddit would delete my post instantly if I tried to post there).

Again, is this slop? I am not an artist. I drive a forklift real good, that's my skillset. So if I were to use the ai upscaled version for my book, well, I'm asking for opinions.

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[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 19 hours ago (21 children)

The first image is your artwork.

It represents your slow but steady progress in your hobby. It may not be what you want yet, but it is still a stepping stone on your journey.

The second image is a compilation of your artwork and the stolen efforts of millions of unpaid artists, their works unceremoniously ripped away from them and sold as a tech company's product without any compensation to them for aiding building such a machine. It isn't art.

Keep at it, yo. Art is a frustrating hobby at times, but enjoy the learning.

[–] riskable@programming.dev -2 points 18 hours ago (20 children)

Don't say, "stolen". It's the wrong word. "Copied" is closer but really, "trained an AI model with images freely available on the Internet" is more accurate but doesn't sound sinister.

When you steal something, the original owner doesn't have it anymore. AIs aren't stealing anything. They're sort of copying things but again, not really. At the heart of every AI LLM or image model is a random number generator. They aren't really capable of copying things exactly unless the source material somehow gets a ridiculously high "score" when training. Such as a really popular book that gets quoted in a million places on the Internet and in other literature (and news articles, magazines, etc... anything that was used to train the AI).

Someone figured out that there's so much Harry Potter quotes and copies in OpenAI's training set that you could trick it into outputting something like 70% of the first book, one very long and specific prompt at a time (thousand of times). That's because of how the scoring works, not because of any sort of malicious intent to violate copyright on the part of OpenAI.

Nobody's stuff is being stolen.

[–] dil@lemmy.zip 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Piracy is considered stealing, duplicating without permission is stealing?

[–] riskable@programming.dev 0 points 15 hours ago

Woah! Piracy is not considered stealing. The MPAA and RIAA made that argument over and over and over again in the 90s and early 2000s and they lost. Thank the gods!

You would download a car!

If piracy was stealing, we'd all be waiting for our chance to watch TV shows in a queue of thousands.

Copyright violations are not theft. They never were and they never will be. Because no one is deprived of anything when something is copied. In theory, there could've been a lost sale as a result but study after study has shown that piracy actually improves sales of copyrighted works.

When an AI is trained on images that YOU—the artist—posted to the public Internet for the world to see it will either increment or decrement a floating point value by like 0.01. That's it! That's all it does.

How can that be considered "stealing"‽ It's absurd.

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