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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ukraine's government isn't innocent, they have been ethnically cleansing ethnic Russians post-Euromaidan coup. Ukraine is not all Nazi, the Nazis in Ukraine are largely in the government of Ukraine and in fascist groups now folded into the government and millitary officially. I'm not wrong here at all, you still haven't explained how Nazis committing ethnic cleansing is okay.

[–] FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world -2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

And you still haven't provided neutral evidences of what you call "ethnic cleansing" while I've provided you a report showing a steady decrease in violent deaths between 2014 and 2022 produced by the UN while Russia was still sitting in the board and confirmed the numbers cited.

Also, how is Ukraine still capable of fighting against Russia if the majority of its people are not nazi and should be against their government according to you? Wouldn't they be fighting alongside the russian should they want to be freed from their "tyrannical" government? And yet they are still fighting almost 4 years into this war. Unbelievable how much they love tyranny in that country

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I gave western sources that are biased against Russia and pro-Kiev still admitting to the ethnic cleansing campaign. Secondly, war in Ukraine is unpopular! They have to rely on forced conscription to keep the war going. There's a decent amount of nationalists in Ukraine that support the Banderites just like there are a decent number of MAGA supporters outside of the government in the US Empire, but by and large the war is unpopular. That's also why Kiev is finally trying to concede and reach a peace deal.

You've got this thought terminating ideology where if something disagrees with your far-right narrative, you immediately disagree with it, even if the sources are from outlets that share your world view.

[–] FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world -2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Western sources that are bought and paid by the kremlin like Pim Tool, Benny Johnson and all those involved in the Tenet Media scandal? Thanks but I prefer official sources instead of unverified and biased blog posts.

The war is so unpopular that russian hasn't been able to conquer no complete control on those regions still under its occupation. They are so beloved by Ukrainians that they cannot even have a stable form of government due to the lack of administrative personnel. What a support from the common population!!!

Another thing are the eventual crimes committed during the war. Both Ukraine and Russia are doing terrible acts in this war and indipendent tribunals should be able to keep the perpetrators of such acts accountable once the war will end. But, ask yourself, had Russia not started this war would these war crimes ever been committed? The answer is no, of course, so in my eyes Russia still is the root cause for all the needles suffering both these countries are going through

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Sources like the BBC, New York Times, The Guardian, The Hill, Jacobin, Reuters, The Natiob, and Al Jazeera are "paid by the Kremlin?" I know fascists like you thrive on irrationality, but there's a limit to denying reality.

From davel's compilation:

Ukraine ethnically cleansing the Donbass region, which popularly supports Russia, is what started the war. The Euromaidan coup is what kicked off the war in 2014, Russia entered in 2022 after the Minsk agreements failed. Had NATO not couped Ukraine, the war would have never happened.

[–] FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world -2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I see a lot of articles about fascism in Ukraine but very few sources about an "ethnic cleansing" while, on thr other hand, the numbers provided with a in report show that the killing was almost halted before 2022, when Russia attacked and the deaths skyrocketed.

I'm an Italian, I live in Italy and I can tell you most of the fascists around here either strive to serve in the military or in the police force. Yet I'd hardly define Italy a fascist state, even if we're currently ran by a fascist-adjecent government. Still our judiciary, legal and police powers remain completely unrelated and indipendent and we citizens can vote out our government every 5 years (if it lasts that long, of course).

On the other hand, can you say the same for Russia and Belarus?

Oh, how I love being told I am irrational from you, you should have worked in a cinema since you're so good at projecting

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Fascism has never been stopped by electoralism. Fascism is capitalism in decay. Italy is absolutely capable of being considered fascist, it's an imperialist country with a right-wing government. I also gave you clear examples of Kiev suppressing ethnic Russians, slaughtering them and erasing their language. You're projecting hard and trying to hide behind insults.

[–] FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world -2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Ok dude, I hope you'll be happy once we will all be oppressed under your own kind of regime where disse terms are sent to gulags and there can be no other idea outside that imposed by the party.

Now go support Russia with Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon and their ilk, I heard they are having troubles finding good tools like you lately

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I think it's a good thing when the working class is in charge and capitalism, fascism, slavery, and monarchy is eradicated and those who would uphold them are frustrated by force.

Keep supporting western imperialism, homophobia, racism, Euronationalism, and anti-communism with Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Adolf Hitler, Pinochet, Milei, Trump, Kier Starmer, Merz, Macron, Netanyahu, Zelensky, and all your far-right buddies.

[–] FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Again, tge one on the same side if Carlson and Bannon ia not me, it's you. Also, when china was squashing the Tibetan or the Hong Kong manifestations against their regime do you think all people in the streets were capitalist swines? Or there may have been some workers among the ones who were violently targeted by the Chinese government?

Furthermore, is Taiwan a free country and are it's citizens free to choose their own future without inferences from the Xi regime?

Lastly, do you think LGBT people should be allowed to live their lives as they please or should they be squashed into a black box away from society because their lifestyle does not conform to the standard idea of family?

Looking forward to your totally not fascist opinions on these issues!!! :*

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Carlson and Bannon are homophobic, racist, pro-imperialism, and anti-communist, just like you. They agree with you.

Neither Tibet nor Hong Kong had popular resistance to China, both "resistances" were directly aided by the west to provoke more bloodshed. Tibet in particular was a feudal slave society. Two excerpts from Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth:

Drepung monastery was one of the biggest landowners in the world, with its 185 manors, 25,000 serfs, 300 great pastures, and 16,000 herdsmen. The wealth of the monasteries rested in the hands of small numbers of high-ranking lamas. Most ordinary monks lived modestly and had no direct access to great wealth. The Dalai Lama himself “lived richly in the 1000-room, 14-story Potala Palace.” [12]

Secular leaders also did well. A notable example was the commander-in-chief of the Tibetan army, a member of the Dalai Lama’s lay Cabinet, who owned 4,000 square kilometers of land and 3,500 serfs. [13] Old Tibet has been misrepresented by some Western admirers as “a nation that required no police force because its people voluntarily observed the laws of karma.” [14] In fact it had a professional army, albeit a small one, that served mainly as a gendarmerie for the landlords to keep order, protect their property, and hunt down runaway serfs.

Young Tibetan boys were regularly taken from their peasant families and brought into the monasteries to be trained as monks. Once there, they were bonded for life. Tashì-Tsering, a monk, reports that it was common for peasant children to be sexually mistreated in the monasteries. He himself was a victim of repeatedremoved, beginning at age nine. [15] The monastic estates also conscripted children for lifelong servitude as domestics, dance performers, and soldiers.

In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the “middle-class” families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery. [16] The majority of the rural population were serfs. Treated little better than slaves, the serfs went without schooling or medical care. They were under a lifetime bond to work the lord’s land — or the monastery’s land — without pay, to repair the lord’s houses, transport his crops, and collect his firewood. They were also expected to provide carrying animals and transportation on demand. [17] Their masters told them what crops to grow and what animals to raise. They could not get married without the consent of their lord or lama. And they might easily be separated from their families should their owners lease them out to work in a distant location. [18]

As in a free labor system and unlike slavery, the overlords had no responsibility for the serf’s maintenance and no direct interest in his or her survival as an expensive piece of property. The serfs had to support themselves. Yet as in a slave system, they were bound to their masters, guaranteeing a fixed and permanent workforce that could neither organize nor strike nor freely depart as might laborers in a market context. The overlords had the best of both worlds.

One 22-year old woman, herself a runaway serf, reports: “Pretty serf girls were usually taken by the owner as house servants and used as he wished”; they “were just slaves without rights.” [19] Serfs needed permission to go anywhere. Landowners had legal authority to capture those who tried to flee. One 24-year old runaway welcomed the Chinese intervention as a “liberation.” He testified that under serfdom he was subjected to incessant toil, hunger, and cold. After his third failed escape, he was merciless beaten by the landlord’s men until blood poured from his nose and mouth. They then poured alcohol and caustic soda on his wounds to increase the pain, he claimed. [20]

The serfs were taxed upon getting married, taxed for the birth of each child and for every death in the family. They were taxed for planting a tree in their yard and for keeping animals. They were taxed for religious festivals and for public dancing and drumming, for being sent to prison and upon being released. Those who could not find work were taxed for being unemployed, and if they traveled to another village in search of work, they paid a passage tax. When people could not pay, the monasteries lent them money at 20 to 50 percent interest. Some debts were handed down from father to son to grandson. Debtors who could not meet their obligations risked being cast into slavery. [21]

The theocracy’s religious teachings buttressed its class order. The poor and afflicted were taught that they had brought their troubles upon themselves because of their wicked ways in previous lives. Hence they had to accept the misery of their present existence as a karmic atonement and in anticipation that their lot would improve in their next lifetime. The rich and powerful treated their good fortune as a reward for, and tangible evidence of, virtue in past and present lives.

Selection two, shorter: (CW sexual violence and mutilation)

The Tibetan serfs were something more than superstitious victims, blind to their own oppression. As we have seen, some ran away; others openly resisted, sometimes suffering dire consequences. In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation — including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation — were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, and runaway or resistant serfs. [22]

Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: “When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion.” [23] Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then “left to God” in the freezing night to die. “The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,” concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet. [24]

In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, breaking off hands, and hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling. The exhibition presented photographs and testimonies of victims who had been blinded or crippled or suffered amputations for thievery. There was the shepherd whose master owed him a reimbursement in yuan and wheat but refused to pay. So he took one of the master’s cows; for this he had his hands severed. Another herdsman, who opposed having his wife taken from him by his lord, had his hands broken off. There were pictures of Communist activists with noses and upper lips cut off, and a woman who wasremovedd and then had her nose sliced away. [25]

Earlier visitors to Tibet commented on the theocratic despotism. In 1895, an Englishman, Dr. A. L. Waddell, wrote that the populace was under the “intolerable tyranny of monks” and the devil superstitions they had fashioned to terrorize the people. In 1904 Perceval Landon described the Dalai Lama’s rule as “an engine of oppression.” At about that time, another English traveler, Captain W. F. T. O’Connor, observed that “the great landowners and the priests… exercise each in their own dominion a despotic power from which there is no appeal,” while the people are “oppressed by the most monstrous growth of monasticism and priest-craft.” Tibetan rulers “invented degrading legends and stimulated a spirit of superstition” among the common people. In 1937, another visitor, Spencer Chapman, wrote, “The Lamaist monk does not spend his time in ministering to the people or educating them. […] The beggar beside the road is nothing to the monk. Knowledge is the jealously guarded prerogative of the monasteries and is used to increase their influence and wealth.” [26] As much as we might wish otherwise, feudal theocratic Tibet was a far cry from the romanticized Shangri-La so enthusiastically nurtured by Buddhism’s western proselytes.

-Dr. Michael Parenti

Taiwan is under the rule of the Kuomintang, who lost the war and fled to Taiwan, slaughtering resistance. The people of Taiwan are increasingly in favor of reunification with the mainland. LGBTQIA+ rights in China are improving over time. They have a long way to go, but nevertheless they are steadily improving.

[–] FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world -1 points 49 minutes ago (1 children)

And yet, both Carlson and Bannon have repeatedly asked to leave Ukraine alone to be conquered by Russia, so they do support your viewpoint on this specific issue and are against mine. So who is in cohort with these figures when it comes to Ukraine?

Are the LGBTQ rights improving also in Russia? What are exactly the improvements you can list for Chinese LGBTQ members in the past few years?

Let's be fair and concede that the stories reported about Tibet were true, wouldn't China be an imperialist country if it invaded Tibet because it didn't accept their way of arranging their society? How come you are ok with this specific imperialist conquest but disagree with the western ones?

Questions without answers and beliefs without logic

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 33 minutes ago (1 children)

Carlson and Bannon wanting to leave Ukraine a rump state for Europe to pick up the bill for, and communists wanting Kiev to stop ethnically cleansing the Donbass region and stop NATO aggression are entirely different things to begin with, and entirely different reasons. Not only am I not aligned with Carlson and Bannon on Ukraine, you yourself are absolutely aligned with them when it comes to supporting western imperialism, homophobia, racism, and anti-communism.

LGBTQ rights aren't improving in Russia. Russia is run by nationalists, as I said, not socialists. The nationalists in Russia are better than literal Nazis, but are by no means socialists. As for listing "Chinese LGBTQ members," you realise that that isn't a thing, right? People are naturally gay, we don't choose to be gay at higher ratios in more welcoming environments. Either way, Jin Xing, one of China's top celebreties, is an open transwoman.

As for Tibet, no, China liberating Tibet is not imperialism. Imperialism is a form of international plunder, anexxing territory can be imperialist but in this case it clearly isn't. The Dalai Lama was on the CIA payroll, and the CIA used Tibet as a proxy to fight China.

All of these are answered, and my beliefs stem from a thorough understanding of Marxism-Leninism and studying real life and the news from a global context, not just regurgitating western media.

[–] FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world 1 points 10 minutes ago

Syrange that you are on the same page of Carlson and Bannon on this very specific topic without any concern whatsoever. But you do you, if you're happy to share the same table as those two more power to you.

I didn't ask you to list Chinese LGBTQ members, I asked you to list laws and rules brought on by the party which have improved the LGBTQ situation in China. Can you cite at least one law going in this direction or not?

People are naturally gay, we don’t choose to be gay at higher ratios in more welcoming environments.

But people are more open to be seen as LGBTQ in welcoming environments or do you think an LGBTQ person will be ready to accept his own sexuality in, say for example, North Korea?

How is it not imperialist to conquer a nation and the starting to use its land for your own profit? Have you ever heard of the mining industry flourishing after the Chinese invasion? And what about the hydropower facilities built in this land? Where did all the extracted resources and the produced energy go? If they didn't go to Tibetans, as they went to china, how is this not imperialist according to your beliefs?