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[–] FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world -2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Again, tge one on the same side if Carlson and Bannon ia not me, it's you. Also, when china was squashing the Tibetan or the Hong Kong manifestations against their regime do you think all people in the streets were capitalist swines? Or there may have been some workers among the ones who were violently targeted by the Chinese government?

Furthermore, is Taiwan a free country and are it's citizens free to choose their own future without inferences from the Xi regime?

Lastly, do you think LGBT people should be allowed to live their lives as they please or should they be squashed into a black box away from society because their lifestyle does not conform to the standard idea of family?

Looking forward to your totally not fascist opinions on these issues!!! :*

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Carlson and Bannon are homophobic, racist, pro-imperialism, and anti-communist, just like you. They agree with you.

Neither Tibet nor Hong Kong had popular resistance to China, both "resistances" were directly aided by the west to provoke more bloodshed. Tibet in particular was a feudal slave society. Two excerpts from Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth:

Drepung monastery was one of the biggest landowners in the world, with its 185 manors, 25,000 serfs, 300 great pastures, and 16,000 herdsmen. The wealth of the monasteries rested in the hands of small numbers of high-ranking lamas. Most ordinary monks lived modestly and had no direct access to great wealth. The Dalai Lama himself “lived richly in the 1000-room, 14-story Potala Palace.” [12]

Secular leaders also did well. A notable example was the commander-in-chief of the Tibetan army, a member of the Dalai Lama’s lay Cabinet, who owned 4,000 square kilometers of land and 3,500 serfs. [13] Old Tibet has been misrepresented by some Western admirers as “a nation that required no police force because its people voluntarily observed the laws of karma.” [14] In fact it had a professional army, albeit a small one, that served mainly as a gendarmerie for the landlords to keep order, protect their property, and hunt down runaway serfs.

Young Tibetan boys were regularly taken from their peasant families and brought into the monasteries to be trained as monks. Once there, they were bonded for life. Tashì-Tsering, a monk, reports that it was common for peasant children to be sexually mistreated in the monasteries. He himself was a victim of repeatedremoved, beginning at age nine. [15] The monastic estates also conscripted children for lifelong servitude as domestics, dance performers, and soldiers.

In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the “middle-class” families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery. [16] The majority of the rural population were serfs. Treated little better than slaves, the serfs went without schooling or medical care. They were under a lifetime bond to work the lord’s land — or the monastery’s land — without pay, to repair the lord’s houses, transport his crops, and collect his firewood. They were also expected to provide carrying animals and transportation on demand. [17] Their masters told them what crops to grow and what animals to raise. They could not get married without the consent of their lord or lama. And they might easily be separated from their families should their owners lease them out to work in a distant location. [18]

As in a free labor system and unlike slavery, the overlords had no responsibility for the serf’s maintenance and no direct interest in his or her survival as an expensive piece of property. The serfs had to support themselves. Yet as in a slave system, they were bound to their masters, guaranteeing a fixed and permanent workforce that could neither organize nor strike nor freely depart as might laborers in a market context. The overlords had the best of both worlds.

One 22-year old woman, herself a runaway serf, reports: “Pretty serf girls were usually taken by the owner as house servants and used as he wished”; they “were just slaves without rights.” [19] Serfs needed permission to go anywhere. Landowners had legal authority to capture those who tried to flee. One 24-year old runaway welcomed the Chinese intervention as a “liberation.” He testified that under serfdom he was subjected to incessant toil, hunger, and cold. After his third failed escape, he was merciless beaten by the landlord’s men until blood poured from his nose and mouth. They then poured alcohol and caustic soda on his wounds to increase the pain, he claimed. [20]

The serfs were taxed upon getting married, taxed for the birth of each child and for every death in the family. They were taxed for planting a tree in their yard and for keeping animals. They were taxed for religious festivals and for public dancing and drumming, for being sent to prison and upon being released. Those who could not find work were taxed for being unemployed, and if they traveled to another village in search of work, they paid a passage tax. When people could not pay, the monasteries lent them money at 20 to 50 percent interest. Some debts were handed down from father to son to grandson. Debtors who could not meet their obligations risked being cast into slavery. [21]

The theocracy’s religious teachings buttressed its class order. The poor and afflicted were taught that they had brought their troubles upon themselves because of their wicked ways in previous lives. Hence they had to accept the misery of their present existence as a karmic atonement and in anticipation that their lot would improve in their next lifetime. The rich and powerful treated their good fortune as a reward for, and tangible evidence of, virtue in past and present lives.

Selection two, shorter: (CW sexual violence and mutilation)

The Tibetan serfs were something more than superstitious victims, blind to their own oppression. As we have seen, some ran away; others openly resisted, sometimes suffering dire consequences. In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation — including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation — were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, and runaway or resistant serfs. [22]

Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: “When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion.” [23] Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then “left to God” in the freezing night to die. “The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,” concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet. [24]

In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, breaking off hands, and hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling. The exhibition presented photographs and testimonies of victims who had been blinded or crippled or suffered amputations for thievery. There was the shepherd whose master owed him a reimbursement in yuan and wheat but refused to pay. So he took one of the master’s cows; for this he had his hands severed. Another herdsman, who opposed having his wife taken from him by his lord, had his hands broken off. There were pictures of Communist activists with noses and upper lips cut off, and a woman who wasremovedd and then had her nose sliced away. [25]

Earlier visitors to Tibet commented on the theocratic despotism. In 1895, an Englishman, Dr. A. L. Waddell, wrote that the populace was under the “intolerable tyranny of monks” and the devil superstitions they had fashioned to terrorize the people. In 1904 Perceval Landon described the Dalai Lama’s rule as “an engine of oppression.” At about that time, another English traveler, Captain W. F. T. O’Connor, observed that “the great landowners and the priests… exercise each in their own dominion a despotic power from which there is no appeal,” while the people are “oppressed by the most monstrous growth of monasticism and priest-craft.” Tibetan rulers “invented degrading legends and stimulated a spirit of superstition” among the common people. In 1937, another visitor, Spencer Chapman, wrote, “The Lamaist monk does not spend his time in ministering to the people or educating them. […] The beggar beside the road is nothing to the monk. Knowledge is the jealously guarded prerogative of the monasteries and is used to increase their influence and wealth.” [26] As much as we might wish otherwise, feudal theocratic Tibet was a far cry from the romanticized Shangri-La so enthusiastically nurtured by Buddhism’s western proselytes.

-Dr. Michael Parenti

Taiwan is under the rule of the Kuomintang, who lost the war and fled to Taiwan, slaughtering resistance. The people of Taiwan are increasingly in favor of reunification with the mainland. LGBTQIA+ rights in China are improving over time. They have a long way to go, but nevertheless they are steadily improving.

[–] FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world -2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

And yet, both Carlson and Bannon have repeatedly asked to leave Ukraine alone to be conquered by Russia, so they do support your viewpoint on this specific issue and are against mine. So who is in cohort with these figures when it comes to Ukraine?

Are the LGBTQ rights improving also in Russia? What are exactly the improvements you can list for Chinese LGBTQ members in the past few years?

Let's be fair and concede that the stories reported about Tibet were true, wouldn't China be an imperialist country if it invaded Tibet because it didn't accept their way of arranging their society? How come you are ok with this specific imperialist conquest but disagree with the western ones?

Questions without answers and beliefs without logic

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Carlson and Bannon wanting to leave Ukraine a rump state for Europe to pick up the bill for, and communists wanting Kiev to stop ethnically cleansing the Donbass region and stop NATO aggression are entirely different things to begin with, and entirely different reasons. Not only am I not aligned with Carlson and Bannon on Ukraine, you yourself are absolutely aligned with them when it comes to supporting western imperialism, homophobia, racism, and anti-communism.

LGBTQ rights aren't improving in Russia. Russia is run by nationalists, as I said, not socialists. The nationalists in Russia are better than literal Nazis, but are by no means socialists. As for listing "Chinese LGBTQ members," you realise that that isn't a thing, right? People are naturally gay, we don't choose to be gay at higher ratios in more welcoming environments. Either way, Jin Xing, one of China's top celebreties, is an open transwoman.

As for Tibet, no, China liberating Tibet is not imperialism. Imperialism is a form of international plunder, anexxing territory can be imperialist but in this case it clearly isn't. The Dalai Lama was on the CIA payroll, and the CIA used Tibet as a proxy to fight China.

All of these are answered, and my beliefs stem from a thorough understanding of Marxism-Leninism and studying real life and the news from a global context, not just regurgitating western media.

[–] FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world -2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Syrange that you are on the same page of Carlson and Bannon on this very specific topic without any concern whatsoever. But you do you, if you're happy to share the same table as those two more power to you.

I didn't ask you to list Chinese LGBTQ members, I asked you to list laws and rules brought on by the party which have improved the LGBTQ situation in China. Can you cite at least one law going in this direction or not?

People are naturally gay, we don’t choose to be gay at higher ratios in more welcoming environments.

But people are more open to be seen as LGBTQ in welcoming environments or do you think an LGBTQ person will be ready to accept his own sexuality in, say for example, North Korea?

How is it not imperialist to conquer a nation and the starting to use its land for your own profit? Have you ever heard of the mining industry flourishing after the Chinese invasion? And what about the hydropower facilities built in this land? Where did all the extracted resources and the produced energy go? If they didn't go to Tibetans, as they went to china, how is this not imperialist according to your beliefs?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

As I explained, I'm not at all on the same page with Carlson and Bannon. Their desire to dump Ukraine onto the EU to insteas focus on Latin America and then Asia isn't the same as opposing western imperialism. I can articulate why they hold their views and why I hold mine.

Here's a full report by a western org that talks about "surprising progress with daunting obstacles. The younger generation is pro-LGBTQIA+, the older is anti. Over time this is resulting in gradual change for the better with each passing generation.

I actually haven't looked into LGBTQIA+ rights in the DPRK. They're notoriously terrible in the ROK, as are women's rights, so I'd expect the DPRK to fare a bit better but I haven't actually looked into that much.

Tibet is an autonomous zone that is within the broder PRC. It isn't distinct from China, nor is it wholly the same. Tibet within the PRC has seen rapid development and dramatic progress once moving beyond feudalism into socialism. The fact that Tibet is developing and extreme poverty is eradicated there isn't a point against China, but for it. You have a Fox News style understanding of China while you live in an actually imperialist country like Italy.

[–] FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world -2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Directly cited from the report you presented:

According to Li Minyan, a Chinese LGBT advocate and law student at Northwestern University, social pressure to marry someone of the opposite sex is overwhelming, and many LGBT individuals do so and lead a double life. Others enter into marriages of convenience where lesbians and gay men marry each other to escape this pressure. Despite this outward tolerance, a report about the situation facing LGBT people and civil society in China issued by the United Nations and the U.S. government last year flagged a host of serious problems. Chinese LGBT people lack legal protections from discrimination at work and in housing, there is no recognition accorded to same-sex couples, LGBT individuals cannot adopt children, same-sex rape is not a criminal offense and stigma and discrimination are rampant.

Look into the situation with the RPK and then return to me to present your findings, I'm sure homosexual people are living their best lives alongside Kim.

The "development" of Tibet has been mainly enjoyed by the Han people who flicked into the region after its conquest by China. Original Tibetans are still living in the same economical conditions as 100 years ago but in an even worse society as they are seen as "inferior" because they are not of Han origin. But this behaviour is not the behaviour of an imperialist country in your eyes, so everything is fine and don't question authorities

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

As I said regarding LGBTQIA+ rights, they are improving. History isn't a series of static snapshots, but instead an unfolding process. The report itself also cites the surprising progress as compared to the older PRC, and especially compared to being under Japanese colonialism and the KMT.

As for the DPRK and the LGBTQIA+ community, it's a bit difficult to learn but from what I can see it seems to be legal. May not be legally protected, but not illegal.

As for your comment on Tibet, it's full of shit. Tibetans are living far greater lives than when they were literally tortured slaves en masse, and there isn't Han supremacy. This is more Fox News far-right Neo-Nazi conspiracy shit that you continue to peddle, fascist that you admitted to being.

[–] FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder why it is so difficult to find information about any issue in the DPRK, such a paradise on earth should be more open to disclose its inner working to the world... It's very strange if someone think about it for more than 20 seconds, but this doesn't seem to be a concern of your it would seem.

So if the Chinese bar Tibetans from speaking their language and living their lives according to their customs while also forcing their youth to attend sino-centric schools is progress, but if Ukraine ask its russian citizens ti use Ukrainian as a language when talking with the state is ethnic cleansing. Got it

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

The DPRK publishes English news and has visitors from Cuba, Russia, China, and more, so we can get a good idea of how things are there. I just haven't researched their LGBTQIA+ rights yet, and the west pretty much purely lies about it. It's no paradise, but it does well considering their situation.

China does not bar Tibetans from speaking their language and living their lives according to their customs. Tibet is a part of China, and as such is integrated into the PRC, but there is not ethnic suppression. Further, Ukraine is governed by Neo-Nazis that were slaughtering people in the Donbass, not just language suppression.

More Fox News garbage from yourself.

[–] FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world -1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Also, you keep talking about slaughter in Ukraine even if I already shown you that under 10 people per year were casualties of the internal war brought forward by the little green men paid by the Kremlin. You are still avoiding this fact and continue to press the button of ethnic cleansing even if there are no wires attached to it as if it were your Linus blanket. Grow up and face the facts, please

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

The war was brought about by the west couping Kiev and replacing the government with Neo-Nazis, which you happen to love. Further, again, the shelling had actually escalated prior to Russia getting involved, confirmed by OSCE. Kiev had ammassed an invasion force into Donetsk and Luhansk, dramatically increased shelling, and then days later Russia intervened.

Face the facts, please, and drop the unfounded ageism.

[–] FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Wouldn't you know, the link to the supposed OCSE report in reality opens a blog page from an uncredited source which does not contain itself any reference to the report you cited. Talk about sources and facts, eh?

Moreover, how many of the victims of this pre-war conflicts were caused by the little green men paid by the Kremlin? I guess you haven't asked yourself this question as it might clash with the alternative reality you live in to justify the russian invasion of Ukraine. Invasion that was not going to happen if we had listened to the russian who ammassed an invading force on Ukraine borders shortly before February 2022 but who then went on for weeks to reiterate that these troops and vehicles were there just for exercising and would habe never been used to invade Ukraine. There are some truth tellers among the russians, that's for sure

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

Have a Reuters link and a link to OSCE itself. Toss in Human Rights Watch for good measure. Plenty of good sources.

You keep pretending the "little green men" are more important than the literal Neo-Nazis that committed the Maidan massacre and were ethnically cleansing Russians. Had NATO and Kiev not dramatically increased shelling and ammassed an invasion force in Donetsk and Luhansk, the DPR and LPR would not have requested Russian assistance and voted to join the Russian Federation. You're siding with literal neo-Nazis.

[–] FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world -1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Lmao, trusting the report coming from Russia and China about how is fairing the north Korean society is wild. Why don't they accept people from other parts of the world and why, when someone can access their state, this person is not allowed to interact with people without having policemen around? Must be because they have nothing to hide, for sure. If you're interested I've got a bridge to sell you XD

So the forced movement of people from the Tibetan countryside to the inner cities has no bearing on their way of life, which was a nomadic one? How is integration carried out when a custom directly contradicts the mandates from the party?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, I do trust Russia and China more than the west when it comes to reporting on the DPRK, because they actually go there and don't report nonsense claims about life there. The DPRK does accept people, it's largely western countries preventing their own people from visiting. Again, keep up your chauvanism.

The people of Tibet were not forced to inner cities. Tibet is developing beyond their nomadic mode of production, which leads to more city population and fewer nomads.