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That's disgusting and all, but 15 and 20 years is a little excessive, no? I'm from a country without mass incarceration or private prisons, but you don't need nearly that much for people to learn their lesson
They were waving around guns. That is assault by threatening someone's life. Also complete disregard for public safety. It is a felony just brandishing a gun when not threatened yourself.
Even still if there's no other record of violent behavior I imagine barring them from firearm possession, 5 years in prison, and 5 years probation would do the trick.
All punitive justice is good for is giving more slaves to the prison complex. Rehabilitation is better for everyone. It's not only cheaper but also creates better (ie safer) outcomes for society.
After 20 years what will they even have to live for anymore? This is why people re-offend.
We don't have a system of rehabilitative justice and we're not going to start having one any time soon, so the options available to us for dealing with these shitbags are either lock them up or let them keep doing what they're doing, I think preferring option 1 is extremely reasonable
Well no, you could have given them a more reasonable sentence.
By putting them in prison for 20 years you're basically garunteeing they commit more crime when they get out. Congrats you've made society less safe.
Cool story, but as I said our reality is unfortunately limited to two shitty options and your idea isn't one of them
Unfortunately my original idea working within the system was ban on firearm ownership, 5 years prison, and 5 years probation.
Plenty punitive, but at least gives them a chance of reforming a life afterwards. Works completely fine without giving in to your false dichotomy
Honestly why are you even from .ml?
Also in case you're confused when I said rehabilitative justice is better that was entirely separate from my suggested sentence
There's no reforming from being a racist shitbag that threatens kids with guns. He can rot in prison for 50 years for all I care.
The ability for a human to change is one of the few things I believe about humanity.
Everyone deserves that chance, but he should still recieve a stiff punishment.
When you put people in jail for these incredibly long periods they will re-offend. Honestly if you had hate in your heart sit in jail for 20 to 50 years after you get out what do you have left to lose? He didn't show up and start murdering people, but if the punishment is the same maybe he'll just go ahead and do it when he gets out. Nothing to lose anymore.
With a shorter sentence he still has a life worth living and is less likely to re-offend.
You'd be surprised how good people can be if you give them the chance. I'm not saying he shouldn't go to prison, he definitely deserves some time. I'm just saying let's deal in facts and do what we know reduces re-offense rates. Let's give humanity a chance. You'd be surprised how many racists can and do change. I remember watching a documentary about a guy that spent his free time talking with members of the KKK and slowly de-programming them. This guy was a POC too. If he can bridge that gap I'm sure the rest of us can too.
If we had anything resembling a reliable system for rehabilitation of violent ideologues in this country your plan would be a good one, but we don't so it isn't. Not a false dichotomy, just one you don't like. I'm on ML because communism is the future, the present is dogshit and our options are dogshit.
Yeah there are still more than 2 options. Mine is completely reasonable.
The stance of "the prison complex should be given a slave to make as much profit as possible, but yeah I'm a communist" is absolutely wild
Reasonable but has no chance of happening in the US right now, so you're still wrong, cope. I said nothing about "should", learn to read.
Well that's an amusing backpedal
My first comment: "If we had anything resembling a reliable system for rehabilitation of violent ideologues in this country your plan would be a good one"
My second comment: "Reasonable but has no chance of happening in the US right now"
Does that actually register as a backpedal to you? Are you sincerely stupid or just that desperate to pretend I'm not 100% right?
I'm sorry you didn't understand, but it was abundantly clear that the punishment I described was meant for the current system.
You kept disagreeing with that and engaging on the point. You insisted that they must be locked up for an extremely long period of time. I rejected that was being the only option ubder the current system. Then after pointing out that insisting they are locked up long term is supporting slavery you began to backpedal.
Sorry I didn't entertain your other hypothetical.
But yeah keep doubling down and insulting others. That's the way to make an argument
Lol so that's a yes on "desperate to pretend I'm not 100% right"
The classic flip the table and declare victory approach. It's certainly an approach
I said the same thing twice in a row and you tried to call it backpedaling, you are a joke