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So repeating your points is "going off the deep end"? Sounds like you were already there

You forgot the real option. Which is supporting reasonable sentences focused on rehabilitation.

There are very few offenses where a human deserves to be locked up for 20 years.

Also let's not pretend you wanted to imprison them indefinitely. You wanted to deport them, mutilate them, and dump them on a poor nation. You either didn't care or think about whether or not these African nations want our criminals, but what they think doesn't matter right? As long as you hurt the right people?

That's not even getting into the American centrism that assumes people in Africa know all about the American civil war

Well no, you could have given them a more reasonable sentence.

By putting them in prison for 20 years you're basically garunteeing they commit more crime when they get out. Congrats you've made society less safe.

Well hold on some clarifying questions.

In your rehabilitation model would criminals allowed to go free or would they be held through the rehabilitation process? What if they are violent and pose an immediate threat to the community?

I get that exile is kind of a terrible antiquated idea, but if we cannot tolerate intolerance and the offender refuses to change what is the solution?

You add more time in prison. If you keep re-offending and are a harm to society you will start to spend more time in prison.

But you'll find the vast majority of people want to be productive and even those that are more self centered will generally take the opportunity to be a better member of society even if it's just to avoid more prison. If you start with massive penalties then you never even gave that person a chance.

If a person refuses to stop being intolerant, what is the solution?

It's not about controlling people's thoughts. It's about ensuring that their actions aren't illegal. If they want to hold onto hate their whole life that's their choice. As long as they aren't harming others they can still carry their prejudice.

Break the law again though you go back to prison.

But when you put someone in our current prison system for 20 years you're basically ensuring they will commit a crime again. You're taking away their chance to be a productive member of society, essentially enslaving them, and all of this comes at a great monetary cost to the taxpayer.

but anyone from the US, whether they're on the furthest right or the furthest left, is going to have an incredibly hard time understanding why

Your comment made it sound like you believed no American would agree with prison reform.

I thought this was amusing since you were replying to an American that at least associates with many that agree with me on prison reform.

To make the argument more direct I'd say you'll find a lot of Americans on the left that want a reform of our justice system

I never said to tolerate their actions. I said the punishment does not fit the crime and better serves feeding the prison system slaves.

Some people take the idea of not tolerating intolerance to mean we ourselves must become the fascists. I reject that. We don't have to go high when they go low but we certainly shouldn't go lower when they go low.

Now of course big fucking astrix for our current situation. Revolution is starting to look like our only way out of the current administration.

But on the topic of prison reform that's a bit different.

Also exile is just a terrible idea, and it's a very antiquated one. Arguably the way it was presented was just an extension of colonialist/imperialist ideal. "Hello poor nation we've decided to ship you our undesirables. Good luck with that"

Just because you're not willing to kill someone doesn't mean you're tolerating their behavior.

This is quite literally a post about this guy being charged with a crime. If he's in prison for 3 years that's going to derail his politics.

The state could also ban the AFD and probably should.

We don't have to jump straight to capital punishment

God your persecution fetish is weird. You would've vibed with the Puritans

I'm an American though, and many of my friends agree with me on the topic of prison reform

When “our side” is no longer in power, “they” might introduce the death penalty. What's to stop “them”, once they are in control? Our good faith?

You can't live your life by becoming worse than what those you fear may become. Honestly this is the rhetoric fascists use.

But to engage the point, you do this by making the death penalty something the populace opposes. If it becomes unthinkable a "non-starter" that's a good thing.

Execution may be unacceptable to some of us, but –crucially– it is acceptable to those who would most abuse it, and they will cheer its reintroduction.

Then make the idea so repugnant only a minority of a minority of people would be okay with it.

Honestly I don't get your argument. It's basically you should be afraid that those people over there will kill you so you must kill them first. I think we've heard that one before...

As times are now use the systems in place that will prevent the rise of the AFD. If the fascists take control then feel free to start killing fascists. Be sure to be early, but you do that after the systems failed.

It's like they haven't even tried to disband the party and it's jumping straight to murder. That's not a nation anyone would want to live in

It will never be handy. You should never trust the state to have that power over its citizens. There's not a country on the planet I trust with that authority.

The death penalty, especially for political offenses, always seems nice when its your side in power.

If you reject the states power to execute it's own citizens and make that idea unacceptable to the people then you take away one of the fascists' best tools for oppressing the people.