jaaake

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[–] jaaake@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The fuck excuses? We can do better than this, but you've gotta look at everything in context. Until we have a (most likely violent) revolution, the core values of our leadership isn't going to swing very wildly. Incremental change is all that voting will get you. Obama wasn't some god that was suddenly going to change what this country is, but he was a step away from Bush and in the right direction. It's shocking to me how far from normal Trump is and its fucking infuriating that instead of looking forward, part of the left is all "b-b-b-but Obama wasn't perfect!"

[–] jaaake@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (18 children)

You do remember who preceded Obama, right? At the time, W. was the dumbest president the world had ever seen. In comparison to that, I'd say Obama delivered on the hope and change.

I'm not saying that I can excuse his take on deportation, or the fact that he's also an establishment democrat, but at this point, who the fuck cares? I'd take another Obama over Trump in a heartbeat. I'd rather have someone in office that I agree with 40% of their takes than 0%.

Obviously he's neither perfect now, nor was he at the time, but why are people still talking about him at all? Same with Biden. His administration shit the bed and got us in the current situation, but there's not anything we can do about it now.

We need to be looking forward, and dunking on someone who was (in comparison to US presidents) always ranked in the top 20% of most progressive of ALL presidents, and only behind Carter in the last 50 years... it seems like in order to get more left, we've got a lot of ground to cover and Obama would be in the correct direction.

[–] jaaake@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (27 children)

Why do people keep dunking specifically on Obama for this? Isn't this the same as every US president ever?

 

I see news articles that the vote to release the files might not happen until the first week of December, but yesterday saw a massive dump of emails.

Are these two separate things? Why are they categorized like this? Do we know how different they are from each other? Who has actually seen what's in the files?