Like how the 5 in the first image isn’t?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! And how exactly do you think they got from 5(17) to 85 without distributing?? 🤣 Spoiler alert, this is what they actually did...
5(17)=(5x17)=85
They do that throughout the book, because they think it's so trivial to get from 5(17) to 85, that if you don't know how to do it without writing (5x17) first, then you have deeper problems than just not knowing how to Distribute 😂
Lmao citing yourself
Nope! I cite Maths textbooks here, here, here, here, here, here, here, a calculator here, need I go on? 🙄 There's plenty more of them
assuming you’re correct and smarter than everyone who programs solvers,
That's hilarious that you think random programmers know more about Maths than a Maths professional 😂
even those who are known to be respectable and used extensively in academia
As I already stated, everyone knows the complete opposite of that about them. It's hilarious that you're trying to prop up places that give both right and wrong answers to the exact same expression as somehow being "respectable". 😂 And you'll see at the end of that thread - if you decide to read it this time - the poof that academia does not use it (because they know it spits out random answers)
Nothing’s been established cause you’ve cited sources that don’t support your argument
BWAHAHAHAAH! Like?? 😂
repeating them again and again won’t make it different.
That's right, the Maths textbooks are still as correct about it as the first time I cited them.
continuing this is useless
Well it is when you don't bother reading the links, which you've just proven is the case
I tried Wolfram Alpha, Google, and others, and they all return 128
Yep, all known to give wrong order of operations answers
So either you’re wrong
Well, it's not me, so...
all people who make these tools professionally are wrong
That's right. Welcome to programmers writing Maths apps without checking that they have their Maths right first. BTW, in some cases it's as bad as one of their calculators saying 2+3x4=20! 😂
To be clear, the reason you’re wrong is because distribution is not part of the brackets step
To be clear, I am correct, because Distribution is part of the Brackets step, as we have already established...
Brackets are solved before exponents,
Yes
resulting in 2(8)²
No, you haven't finished solving the Brackets yet, which you must do before proceeding...
Remove the brackets and then it’s 2*8²
Nope! We have already established that you cannot remove the brackets if you haven't Distributed yet...
So what we actually get is...
2(8)²=(2x8)²=16²
and now that I have removed the Brackets, I can now do the exponent,,,
16²=256
Welcome to you finding the answer to 2x(3+5)² - where the 2 is separate to the brackets, separated from them by the multiply sign - rather than 2(3+5)², which has no multiply sign, and therefore the 2 must be Distributed
Sorry, mate, TLDR
I'll take that as an admission of being wrong then
I skimmed through it, I’m glad you learned some new concepts
I've no idea whose comments you skimmed through, but clearly not mine. I've been saying the same thing from start to finish, and you eventually contradicted yourself 😂
you’re then trying to turn it around and pretend like I didn’t understand something
says someone trying to pretend he did 😂
You incompetent fraud, that’s a different person
That would be because you are replying to my reply to them and not my reply to you, which makes you the incompetent fraud 😂
It’s easy to lose track when literally everyone is calling out your bullshit
says someone who actually lost track and is replying to my reply to someone else 😂
Here’s you quoting a textbook that says to solve inside the brackets first, even without a mulitply sign.
In other words, The Distributive Law, as I've been saying all along, yes, and your point is?
Here’s you quoting a textbook that says you must do the opposite of that.
Nope! Says the exact same thing - Distribute BEFORE REMOVING BRACKETS which is exactly what the previous one did. I have no idea why you think they contradict each other 😂
And as a bonus, here’s you getting 2(3+5)2 wrong.
Nope! Getting it right, Brackets before exponents, as per the order of operations rules, found in Maths textbooks 😂
I am looking for how to politely contact your instance’s admins about your behavior.
Because there's something wrong with fact checking?? 😂 Students usually appreciate finding out where they went wrong, but not you, obviously, and somehow that's an issue for an admin?? 😂
Calls me a liar, then says exactly what I said they think
Nope! I never said you get the wrong answer with 3(3) - noted you were unable to show where I supposedly said that - so no, I did not say what you said I think 🙄
Me: consistently using the Distributive Law throughout the thread.
Nope. Let's go to the screenshots again...
I showed you two
Nope, you showed Wikipedia, which is known to be wrong, as per Maths textbooks
True, but reading again carefully would change what you thought was written
Nope. Still says add all positive numbers first! 😂
You think all maths knowledge only comes from school textbooks!
Never said anything of the sort liar, which is why you're unable to quote me saying that. I did say to you, repeatedly, that you are unable to cite any Maths textbooks that support you, and so far you have proven that to be true, since you haven't cited any maths textbooks. You really do need to work on that poor comprehension of yours 😂
Nope, see screenshot of you saying they are the same
Nope! That was you! Here we go...
so you don’t know what “context” is
Says person who can't even remember what he said, despite me posting screenshots of him saying it 😂
In which case they will often make mistakes, as shown by the “9 minus whatever plus something” equation I did
In which you failed that anyone at all has ever done it like that, other than you 😂
I get that you’re only on your “day two on the Internet” so you’re not aware of it, but these kinds of equations cause people A LOT of trouble
Says person who can't show anyone having trouble with it, thus revealing himself as the Day 2 person 😂
I get what you’re saying. That if
Where you then went on to say something completely unrelated to anything I said, thus proving you don't get what I'm saying 😂
I hope, you get where this line of thinking fails, right?
Which would maybe be why I never said anything of the sort 😂
so you’re saying that a site teaching maths is wrong
Yep, there's a lot of them. Welcome to what happens when people don't have to have Maths qualifications to write a Maths website. Welcome to the Internet Day 2 person! 😂
your proof is
Maths textbooks
A is not before S
So, it's not bedmAS and pemdAS?? 😂
A is equal to S in the order of operations
Which means you can do them in any order, including doing A BEFORE S, a concept you are having a lot of trouble with 😂 having claimed that led people to get wrong answers, like 9-3+2=4, which so far you've not shown anyone making that mistake other than you 😂
PEMDAS and BODMAS (where, I’m sure your keen eye will notice, the D and M are flipped)
and are not written as PE(MD)(AS) and BE(DM)(AS), which you claimed is important to remember, and still haven't backed up with any evidence whatsoever! 😂
Addition and subtraction also work together. You can do subtraction first, or you can do addition first
Yep, as I've been telling you all along. So where's this bit about "it's important to remember PE(MD)(AS)" then? Not anywhere in this source 😂
So, there’s that
Which doesn't support your argument that it's PE(MD)(AS), so there's that 😂
I thought you were capable of checking the sources on the bottom of the article.
Which also weren't Maths textbooks, as I already pointed out to you 😂
wouldn’t consider actual mathematical research as sources
Mr. Lack of Comprehension still not understanding the words MATHS TEXTBOOKS 🤣🤣🤣
I hope the university article links above will be good enough?
Do you need to get your mum to read this out to you to spot the difference between the phrases "Maths textbooks" and "University article"? 😂
You have an extremely weird fixation on brackets
You were the one who made the claim about the brackets. I'm just debunking your rubbish claim about the brackets 😂
The only thing we’ve debunked is your understanding of mathematical fundamentals and reading skills.
says someone who can't tell the difference between Maths textbooks, and any one of a dozen other things 😂
You caught me on misremembering one of the couple of examples I gave you!
Lying is the word you're looking for, and more than a couple
So now, again, why did you start talking about 1 + 3 if the examples were 2 - 2 and 2 / 2?
Take you own advice - go back and read it slowly this time 😂 Still says the same thing as when I first said it
Awww… You can’t answer these questions?
No, you can't defend your claim, so you keep deflecting
And where are the brackets, friend?
Speaking of being fixated on brackets 😂
as I see you’ll just never let go of this misconception of yours, here you are:
Still not a Maths textbook. Have you noticed yet that you haven't been able to cite any Maths textbook that supports your claims?? 😂
You can see the exact same notation as I used
That wasn't from a Maths textbook
When you read the rest of that Level 1 introductory lesson
It still won't be a Maths textbook
it’s OK to have a vivid imagination, but you’re just making yourself look silly when you talk about it with others as if it’s fact
The proof is in this thread 😂
Setting pronumerals to 1 is the same as just removing them from the notation completely
which means it is totally valid to add all positive numbers first, as per the textbook which had an example with pronumerals and did just that😂
I firmly believe that we can get you to understand the whole thing within a week!
says person who still doesn't understand what the words "Maths textbooks" MEANS 😂
Exponents come after brackets
That's right
so I’m curious to see how you solve that with your logic
Ummm, you do the brackets and then the exponent. Not sure what you find unclear about that
It has an obvious correct solution
The one where you do the brackets before the exponent
which is 128
Nope! You can only get that by doing the exponent before the brackets, which is against the order of operations rules. Or did you wrongly add a multiply sign before the brackets - that also yields a different answer
you need to distribute in the brackets step
That's right, so why did you do the exponent first?
which comes before exponents,
That's right. So why did you do the exponent first?
so let’s see what you do with it
Brackets before exponents, as already established 🙄
I know that you finally understood what I was talking about,
other way around dude, as proven by screenshots
t’s OK to keep it all to a single thread
So you want to keep it here, because the other is full of screenshots proving you wrong and you want to ignore them?? 🤣🤣🤣
Yes, because I finished third grade in primary school
Which would explain why you don't know The Distributive Law, which is taught in Year 7
Do you also expect evidence of gravity?
No, just evidence to back up your claims, but of course you don't have any
Go back and read the comments again
You know reading things again doesn't change what's written right?? No, you don't, since you kept asking me to re-read the part about doing all addition first, thinking somehow that was magically going to change if I read it again 😂
you can find the answers
Nope! Hard to find when you didn't answer, and notably you've not done a screenshot of them, because they don't exist. Weird how you're the only one not able to back up anything of what you've said 😂
Yeah, if you ignore what the text says
which you just did, again, because you know it proves you are wrong 😂 Why are you so afraid to quote it if you think it proves you are right? 😂
However, if you actually read the letters on the screenshot, you’ll find that it does
still say, do all addition first
you’re also incapable of scrolling down to the sources part of the article…?
Well, apparently you are, since there are no Maths textbooks listed in the sources 😂
I never said anything like that
Let's go to the screenshot...
I said that, in terms of the order of operations, addition/subtraction and multiplication/division are equal, because they can be inverted (subtraction into addition of negative numbers, division into multiplication of fractions) to achieve
Nope, see screenshot of you saying they are the same
understand that concept, you can skip subtraction and division from the mnemonics
Now you're just rehashing the same already-debunked rubbish. The whole point of the mnemonics is for those who don't understand, just follow these steps 🙄
prove that what I linked to is wrong
Did that already with the textbooks and worked examples. Maybe you need to read it slowly? 😂
One more time: welcome to the Internet
One more time, welcome to you can't debunk what I said, so you deflect
I like how you’re doing exactly what I’m talking about while still saying I’m incorrect
Nope. Again let's go to the screenshot...
quote one example equation I did here that proves I’m not understanding these concepts. :)
See previous screenshot 😂
But is not reinforced by the mnemonic itself
AS doesn't reinforce doing A before S? 😂
Reading comprehension, remember?
Yep, you've got none. You thought Wikipedia counted as a Maths textbook 😂
I’m glad I was able to explain this to you
I knew it all along - you were the one saying that the brackets matter in PE(MD)(AS), which we've now comprehensively debunked 😂
See above
Yep, you finally proved yourself wrong because the mental gymnastics weren't up to proving that brackets matter in PE(MD)(AS) 😂
when the examples were 2 + 2 and 2 * 2?
No they weren't! You have such a short memory, no wonder you ended up contradicting yourself! 🤣 Let's go to the screenshot...
I’m going to ask you a couple of questions so
you can deflect again 😂
I understand how brackets work and that was a perfectly valid use
Nope, we proved it wasn't 😂
says person who thinks doing addition first for 9-3+2 is 4
Now you’re just inventing things I never said.
Let's go to the screenshot... 😂
It wasn’t 2 - 2, tho
Let's go to the screenshot, again...
Or did you fail to read that correctly too?
Not me. See previous screenshot 😂
Again, I’m glad you’re slowly getting to the point I was making
Nope. your point that brackets matter in PE(MD)(AS) is still wrong, as proven 😂
It’s weird how you’re still phrasing it like I was somehow wrong
says person who proved it was wrong 😂
Considering that’s exactly what I did
Nope! You claimed it was entirely different if you did that. Again, let's go to the screenshot...
You’re so cute when you’re trying to turn this whole argument on its head after realising how silly your initial points were!
says the person actually trying to do that, as proven by the screenshots 😂
Ok bro so answer my question
Deflection is the word you're looking for
what’s the result of the expression I wrote above?
So... you're telling me you don't know what comes first out of Brackets and Exponents in order of operations? That's your deflection strategy??
Yeah, maybe. My Year 7 students, who have come fresh to me from Year 6, use BEDMAS, and I teach BEDMAS for consistency (I also think it's a better acronym anyway - think of a massive 4-poster bed to ingrain the idea of BED-MAS)...