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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I said it's a Marxist/anarchist space, and you asked "what about libertarian socialists/communists"

I cast a pretty wide net, who are you including in libertarian socialists/communists that isn't covered by the description Marxist/anarchist?

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

honestly I figured it was busy enough in the top right without adding every countries flag, they would all go either in the social democracy zone or somewhere getting targeted by the obamadrone.

Russia and similar states probably more in the center top.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I should hope they're not independent, it's the same axis.

The x axis is reform vs revolution, this is independent from the question of who directs the authority, which is the y axis.

the original political compass allows for people, who are in favor of a dictatorship of capital and are opposed to changing it, to portray themselves as various degrees of 'libertarian' or even 'left'. They are anything but in my opinion.

I don't think authority can be separated from context of political economy, as it is in the original one. If anything splitting those up like they're independent variables is muddying the waters.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

China is in the center, the rest would be somewhere in the top right.

does Brazil count as 'eastern'?

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

It's not exactly serious, I wouldn't be using a silly meme template like this otherwise.

There is a difference between authority used against capital and authority used in favor of capital, something which is kind of swept under the rug in the original template.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

'Democracy' can mean liberal freedoms such as those, or it can mean participatory decision-making.

My plot isn't defining democracy as 'free press', it's defining democracy structurally as distributed authority among many actors.

A system can restrict certain freedoms and still be structurally decentralized, just as a system can guarantee civil liberties while keeping power concentrated. The point was more to clearly identify where authority resides, not evaluating whether a system meets liberal-democratic standards.

The question of who is subject to authority is something obfuscated in the original meme template that I was aiming to correct.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Gotta agree, it's just a caricature of everything outside that range for the most part. Adding Z axis starts to just make it confusing too doggirl-sweat

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Center and far right are both on the cis side in my portrayal... at least I think I did that right, been a while since I did multivariable calc, and even then these plots mess with my head

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Mine pretty clearly distinguishes between people/groups who are in favor of reform vs revolution, as well as those who are in favor of a dictatorship of capital, or in favor of actively suppressing it. The original one does not really disambiguate that. It lumps all sort of people revolutionary or otherwise on 'the left', and includes an entire quadrant for ancap libertarians as if they are not authoritarian in their own way.

Are you taking issue with the placement of reformists on the right?

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

updated, just needed to rotate it a little bit to account for the extra axis

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It's so funny that there's a trademark on 'the left', is there some Z axis that makes that make sense?

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Things can have a bias and still be objective, and the original one is not unbiased either, it smuggles in all sorts of assumptions.

The fact that it has an entire quadrant for ancap make-believe should be all the indication you need that the whole thing has a right wing bias.

 

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