Cowbee

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago (29 children)

No, you pivoted the conversation to that direction. Originally we were talking about capitalist and socialist countries, and how socialist countries take better care of their working classes than capitalist countries. I gave good examples of this, but then you decided to erase context and try to compare "the best" with "the best." This is a terrible idea for reasons I've already explained, doing so erases historical context, geographic differences, geopolitical tensions, and historical trends.

The only capitalist countries that have it better than China are the Nordic countries, and that's only in some ways, not all. Further, the Nordic countries have been developed for longer, are imperialist and thus use the spoils of imperialism for their safety nets, and have not been targetted by other countries. To compare the quality of life for a worker in China vs a worker in the Nordics without taking those factors into consideration tells us nothing about the effectiveness of capitalism and socialism for the working classes.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

The west does indeed try to force violence into protests they back, yep! Arming and radicalizing people against socialist governments is a tried and true tactic of the west.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (8 children)

The DPRK publishes English news and has visitors from Cuba, Russia, China, and more, so we can get a good idea of how things are there. I just haven't researched their LGBTQIA+ rights yet, and the west pretty much purely lies about it. It's no paradise, but it does well considering their situation.

China does not bar Tibetans from speaking their language and living their lives according to their customs. Tibet is a part of China, and as such is integrated into the PRC, but there is not ethnic suppression. Further, Ukraine is governed by Neo-Nazis that were slaughtering people in the Donbass, not just language suppression.

More Fox News garbage from yourself.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Liberalism is the ideological aspect of capitalism. "Raw capitalism" doesn'r really mean anything.

To move onto socialism, we need to overthrow the state, replace it with a socialist one, and establish public ownership as the principle aspect of the economy. Countries like China, Vietnam, and Cuba have already done this, as did the former USSR.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago (6 children)

It was both. Police cracked down on violent protestors, and the protestors gave up as well. The pro-colonization side lost and now most people support the status quo. Capitaliats are still upset though.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Since when was 4chan anti-capitalist? What dogwhistles are you talking about here?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (8 children)

The riots died down and the majority of people support the status quo. That's literally what happened. Hong Kong is doing better now than when they were a British colony, that you seem to wish they remain.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago (10 children)

As I said regarding LGBTQIA+ rights, they are improving. History isn't a series of static snapshots, but instead an unfolding process. The report itself also cites the surprising progress as compared to the older PRC, and especially compared to being under Japanese colonialism and the KMT.

As for the DPRK and the LGBTQIA+ community, it's a bit difficult to learn but from what I can see it seems to be legal. May not be legally protected, but not illegal.

As for your comment on Tibet, it's full of shit. Tibetans are living far greater lives than when they were literally tortured slaves en masse, and there isn't Han supremacy. This is more Fox News far-right Neo-Nazi conspiracy shit that you continue to peddle, fascist that you admitted to being.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 hours ago (6 children)

You're confusing capitalists, ie capital owners, with liberals, those who are pro-capitalism. As for Lemmy, its growth is tied to recognition and Reddit's decay, the established community on Reddit is itself the draw.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 hours ago

Look at the rates of electrification in the global south, and the sluggish economies in the US and Europe. The AI bubble is just that, a bubble.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago (31 children)

Saying that socialism is a more effective system than capitalism and that socialist countries provide better for the working classes than capitalist ones is the statement I made, and is true. Comparing "the best" (whatever that means) capitalist and socialist countries doesn't actually answer that. It doesn't take into account length of time, history, level of development, trajectory, and more, and it especially doesn't take imperialism into account.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago (10 children)

No? Jimmy Lai was just one example that was convicted in the last few days after evidence was collected. You're deeply unserious.

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