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Because I don’t trust anecdotes from individuals

[proceeds to trust some random patreon website and some youtube travel influencers....]

anyway. it was a fun afternoon of earning capitalist value tokens while pretending to add value at work… thanks all for the discussion

the claim is right there in the OP's meme... "...china is oppressing uyghurs". i don't know why you keep demanding "claims" when it's right in the meme that i was responding to.

the meme suggests that the only evidence comes from some fucker named adrian, whom i've never heard of, and RFA and falun gong.

i merely suggested that first hand accounts from my friends might actually be valid.... maybe at least something to think about.... but apparently listening to actual uyghur people and talking to my actual family in china is just western propaganda... so discussion is already non-starter

anyway. it was a fun afternoon of earning capitalist value tokens while pretending to add value at work... thanks all for the discussion

it's a family i know here, who left china due to oppression... nobody said anything about violent genocide.

i really don't need to type out their whole family situation because why waste my time getting instantly downvoted? you've all already decided that talking to uyghurs is fake news....

Clearly you can see that my point is that some criticism is real and some is not, right?

no, it's really not clear what the criteria is for real criticism, vs. not real... seems pretty arbitrary when looking at two very prominent examples of china oppressing cultural/ethic minorities

“Critiquing” China based on exaggerations and atrocity propaganda is bad. LGBTQIA+ rights fall into the former category, the overwhelming majority of allegations surrounding Xinjiang fall into the latter.

i still don't understand why you think that oppression of LGBT is real, and oppression of uyghurs is exaggeration and propaganda... why is it so OBVIOUS to you that the uyghurs are flourishing, but LGBT people are actually being oppressed?

i KNOW actual uyghur people and i KNOW at least one actual gay person in china... i am chinese and i have family there... i don't understand how weird internet white knights can wave away the hardships of one group as OBVIOUSLY FAKE (despite likely having never spoken to an actual uyghur person, or even someone from another muslim minority in china), while just arbitrarily believing that china oppresses LGBT people?

by your logic, there are openly gay chinese youtubers who haven't been executed yet... therefore, there is no oppression and it's just western propaganda warping your view of china.

the uyghurs i know are not rich people who fled the country and hate china because communism took away their stuff (that would be my taiwanese relatives who DID lose all their bourgeoisie privilege to the communists...) why would they be making shit up about what is happening over there? and why would you be so inclined to dismiss what they have to say just to white knight for china?

while there’s very little evidence of a supposed genocide in Xinjiang.

again, nobody is saying china is doing an israel genocide on uyghurs..... read the original meme post.... it says oppression

while also believing China has a long way to go on LGBTQIA+ rights

why do you believe this? i heard that china is amazing at supporting gay/trans people... anything else you heard is just anti-communist western propaganda.... you see how that works?

Right now you’re doing the bit where Zionists say queer people shouldn’t support Palestine because groups like Hamas are anti-LGBTQIA+ no, i'm doing the bit where a bunch of woke white people are strangely acting like china has zero credible criticisms.... while also strangely admitting that china has a long way to go on LBGTQIA+ rights

the problem with how Xinjiang is portrayed is that it’s the most reactionary, anti-communist people that are pushing the genocide theory the most.

so just because reactionaries/anti-communists are pushing the narrative to support their own ends makes the issue fake/invalid?

so if neo-nazis started supporting palestinians to push an anti-semitic agenda, that makes their oppression fake/invalid?

The idea that China is pushing out non-Han ethnicities is wrong, China’s NPC has great minority representation, ethnic minorities are well protected, and Uyghur culture is flourishing.

lol, again...100% non-chinese telling us how great it is over there (for non-han minorities). how do i know most of you aren't even chinese?? ZERO actual chinese people, even the most woke ones, announce their preferred pronouns...

i'd love to see all you "they/them" folks try actually living in china....

btw, not making fun of pronouns... i support... i'm just pointing out the irony....

i really don't understand all these people on .ml (who clearly aren't chinese) bootlicking for china

look, i'm a "communist" as well... i hate capitalism, blah blah blah... you guys are right about so many things. china is great, the west fucking sucks. i 100% agree...

but i don't understand why it has to extend to, "ALL criticism of china is invalid"... china has a clear objective of unifying the nation and the culture. and that means pushing out the non-han minorities such as the uyghur people.

is this achieved through extreme violence? of course not. that's barbaric and not-subtle.

china knows how to play the long game. decades if needed. the west doesn't see anything beyond a 4 year election cycle...

Nobody ever accused china of bombing cities and murdering children. You're thinking of israel.

Genocide can take forms other than bombing and starvation.

Residential school system in Canada is considered a form of genocide on the native population. We dont have to literally bomb them out of existence to be considered a bad thing

I've never heard of any of these western sources you're citing...

I do have uyghur friends though. Are they fake too?