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AI boom has caused same CO2 emissions in 2025 as New York City, report claims
(www.theguardian.com)
I am skeptical that it's that low.
this post was submitted on 18 Dec 2025
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I mean this just makes it sound like New York City needs to lower their emissions.
All the AI is as bad as ONE city, that really doesn’t sound that bad in that case, but when you start realizing, coal country, reliant on cars. Where does New York fit in? Middle? Top of the list of most pollutant cities?
Without context it doesn’t mean much. If it’s the lowest emitting city, well then This is good isn’t it?
Classic Americans using anything but the metric system...
When you start getting into numbers as high as CO2 emissions, they start becoming meaningless without something to relate to.
What?
The figures have been compiled by the Dutch academic
Where does Americans come into this other than being referenced by another country?
What a terrible take. NYC houses like 9 million people, with even more coming from all over the world for work. What does AI do for that same footprint?
Keeps billionaires wealthy (+ promises that some will trickle downwards)
Tokyo has more population in a smaller footprint. What’s your point? Is Tokyo above or below New York? Makes an important reference point.
It's a different discussion, because you're comparing a city to a city. The original comparison shows just how insanely inefficient and dirty these data centers are. Any city with millions of residents should have orders of magnitude higher rates of pollution than any data center.
all ai data centers* but yes still agree with you
Tokyo is arguably civilized...
I don't know about the carbon emissions, the water thing in the article is extremely misleading. It claims that AI is using up more water than the entire yearly consumption of bottled water. The water usage estimates include the water used to cool the power plants generating the power (running the data center).
The last study on this said that the actual usage of water in the data centers is 12% of the total water usage estimate. Data centers don't normally use that much water. It would be like Niagra Falls pouring water over every data center.
Simple reality check: If you look at the cooling system outside any given data center—if they're using as much water as d article suggests—they'd be emitting a massive cloud of water, 24/7. It would be so much, they'd need a cooling tower on par with a nuclear power station.
So what's with the statistic? If you look at any given power plant on Google Maps you'll see cooling ponds all around it. That's the water they're talking about. It's part of the build of the power plant. It's not using potable water that would be going into people's houses.
Having said that, 12% of the water usage is potable water—in the worst-case data center/power plant matchup scenario. Where you have an older data center that doesn't use modern closed loop cooling systems that don't lose as much water to evaporation. I don't know what the statistic is, but I can sure you it's a lot better than 12%. A wild guess would be 4-6%.
Background: I was a security consultant for many years and traveled all over the US going into many data centers (sometimes, by breaking in! Hah). Inside, they're loud AF (think: standing next to a jet engine) and outside they'll have some big ass cooling units that are also kinda loud but not as loud as some of these articles make them out to be.
That was about 7 years ago but I doubt much has changed since then. I guarantee that those data centers are still being used and have been renovated to support AI-style hardware. The power from the utility was just increased and more cooling units were added. I seriously doubt they did much more than that.
From what I've read about the new "giga scale" data centers, they're much more efficient (and quieter... Outside). Those are the ones we want. If we replaced all the old stuff with new stuff, the statistics in articles like this would drop by and order of magnitude (just a guess).
AI bubble not boom