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[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Let's remember that it's a different kind of love, a love where eternal suffering is considered appropriate, and even just, and that when a Christian says they are excited about Jesus's return, that means that He will return at the head of a Holy Army and they will murder every non-Christian.

The lake of blood will be 200 miles wide, up to a horse's bridle!

So, they "love" you, but, yeah.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The truth is most self-described Christians are devil worshipers bound for Hell. God made gay and trans people because God wants there to be gay and trans people. If you have a problem with that, you are violating the will of the Divine. And if you worship a god of hatred, if you embrace hate and the core of Jesus's message? Sorry, you're not worshiping God, you're worshiping the Devil. The vast majority of conservative Christians are devil worshipers bound for the Pit.

I forgive them for their sins. And God have mercy on their souls. They're going to need it.

[–] Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Well, lets take it the other way.

Where in the bible does Jesus say to hate LGBTQ+ people?

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

I'm not doing the work for you, but it very clearly says if a man lies with another man like they do with a woman they should be stoned to death.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

It's in the old testament, in Hebrew. Saying if a man lays with a male.. which my favorite part of that argument goes back to every Catholic/ Christian not being saved by God and their souls eternally left behind.. which is what one might call eternal damnation.

So they say. "Yeah we don't like gays, or anybody who believes Jesus is God's son".

Yeah let's scrap the part about all of us being eternally damned, and let's leave in the part about stoning people different than us.

Oh and, let's make up pergatory and hell so we can scare more people and make more money

[–] Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Sure it was. Jesus and God are one, if God said it, that means Jesus said it.

Jesus says so

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 4 hours ago

I may be an atheist who hates organized religion, but I also read a lot about the early church because I'm a history nerd. If there ever was a historical Jesus who preached anything approaching the message he's purported to have taught in the christian bible, it was a new covenant and a lot of the old rules were judged unnecessary.

That said, the old testament is a hate book. Modern christianity (especially in the USA) is a hate cult. Organized religion is a cancer.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

And when was that revision added?

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Does it matter honestly, the book just needs to go

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

Its not going anywhere until the truth of how it was written and edited over 2000 years becomes common knowledge.

[–] Pete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Be gay - get high. Got it thx

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago

Jesus said that?

[–] scala@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Remember jesus's mom was a virgin, that means jesus had no Y chromosome.

Jesus was born female and lived her life as a man.

God, despite being male presenting identifies as non-binary.

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[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They don't "follow the bible" so much as they "use the Bible to justify their shitty worldview"

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you want to get on that nerd shit, they don't bother to correctly translate the bible. The singular instance of condemnation of homosexuality is better translated as a condemnation of pederasty. And we've already demonstrated that Christian church leaders have no problem with this.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

I bet this argument was made at least a dozen times in church leader debates over the years: "it says when a man lays with another man, not a boy!"

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is the great thing about Christianity.

Their holy book is so vague and so contradictory (even the four gospels don't agree on details) that you can pick and choose whatever the heck you want to justify your worldview. It's a 'Choose Your Own Adventure' religion.

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Bible is a wonderful book; you can prove anything you want with it.

-Mark Twain

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They don't love Jesus, they love their perception of Jesus

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A hateful and exclusive white jesus?

[–] Aneb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is there any other type? Besides for racist and anti abortion

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[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

And before Christianity, the old testament and Judaism was the same way. It's almost like all these religions purposely steal whatever local belief a particular culture holds at the time, and then twists it however they can to benefit those in positions of power.

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 99 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Religious people are disingenuous by nature

Everything inconvenient is a metaphor, everything they like is the literal word of god and cannot be questioned

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Those people don't believe in anything, they're just dishonest about it, lol.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, like following the Bible seems like an all or nothing kind of thing. I've never really understood the people that just kinda follow it and think they can rationalize issues away.

[–] limekiller@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Why in the world would it be an all or nothing kind of thing? It's a compilation of writing from many different authors, for many different audiences, spanning thousands of years. It wasnt even intended to be all or nothing for contemporaneous audiences--Pauls letters, for example, were for specific recipients.

Assuming that the Bible is intended to be a literal, uncontradictory list of rules for living is accepting an incorrect Evangelical theology.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 1 points 14 minutes ago

It's also being functionally illiterate, as many (if not most) of the books in the Bible state their author clearly in the first paragraph, lol. It's not "the word of God" by definition, but that doesn't mean it's not a goldmine of wisdom! 👍

They just want divine justification to hate the people they fear

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[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Also, when he said to love your neighbor as you love yourself, he wasn’t just talking about feelings or tone of voice. He was talking about the way you treat them. He insisted that people are required to provide care for others at the same level you care you provide for yourself. Food, shelter, clothing, medicine, friendship, you are responsible for all those things no less than your own.

And who is your neighbor? He answered that, too. The people you hate. Those of other foreign places and religions. All of them. The out-groups. And however you treat them, no matter how little you think of them, that god they claim to believe in says he takes it very personally.

Personally, I’m a fan of that radical leftist Jesus guy. It’s a shame that “Christians” are the opposite of everything he demanded and stood for.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Yeah.

I don't get obsessing over a single quote, only to miss the theme the book obsessively hammers in, which is what you said.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This John dude seems to have been quite the wokist.

[–] Jhogenbaum@leminal.space 1 points 6 hours ago

The First 4 references at the top, are followers of John the Baptist who got bounced from their [Jewish] community for following Jesus. The bottom group "first & second John" is actually a dude named John.

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Blue checkmarks fund Nazis!

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Agreed. I think that's the stage we're at. It's not occult or shocking anymore.

"Swastika armbands support Nazis!"

"Well, yeah, man, that's why I'm wearing it."

These people are openly spouting the same rhetoric as the Nazi party and vehemently oppose criticism of it. They can't be shamed this way.

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[–] axexrx@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

"I can love my fellow man, But I'm damned if I'll love yours"

Andrew eldritch - 'I Was Wrong'

[–] gndagreborn@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

They won't necessarily say it, but they don't consider 'THEM QUEERS' people. Not as long as almighty god still backs the boys in blue and the NRA.

[–] deacon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Beloved

Let us love one another

For love is of god and everyone who loves

Is born of god

And knows god

He who doesn’t love

Doesn’t know god for god is love

Beloved

Let us love one another

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[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Jesus didn't say such a thing, it was John, Rom, Thess, Peter, John again. (BTW who are Rom and Thess)?

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 15 points 1 day ago

Rom is a Ferengi in Star Trek, the brother of Quark.

[–] sickday@fedia.io 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

rom is likely the Romans and thess is likely Thessalonians

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[–] Nomorereddit@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The bible is so two faced and full of contradictions. Like this:

Psalm 139:21–22 “Do I not hate those who hate you, O Lord? And do I not loathe those who rise up against you? I hate them with complete hatred; I count them my enemies.”

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The love one another stuff is specifically and basically exclusively a feature of the New Testament, as are all of the passages listed here. Old Testament God was much more pro religion-based genocide and enslavement. But most Christians will tell you that the New Testament/Jesus revised the old biblical laws and messages. So any "good" Christian should be leaning on it for moral guidance, instead of the books that promote vengeance, slavery, incest, rape, murder, maiming/mutilation, etc.

[–] Nomorereddit@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Not according to jebus!

Matthew 5:17-18 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even this one?

2 kings chapter 2 verse 23-24

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.

[–] Nomorereddit@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

This one too:

Ezekiel 23:20 NIV

There she lusted after her lovers whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

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