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Is it when you govern from the capitol? (lemmy.ml)
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[–] plyth@feddit.org 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

There is no innate human desire for power, just improving our lives.

So socialism is only stable if the people, and especially those in power are happy.

controlled via the administration,

dominated by capitalists will inevitably be limited in factor to how the capitalists wish.

Isn't that the same concentration of power?

Your argument is that you can pay people more and charge more, but this is self-defeating again. Value isn’t created by ownership

Only in global communism. The charged workers don't have to be the same as the producing workers.

If it does, the owners can still remain in power and continue the processes without external valorization.

This doesn’t follow from capitalism being contradictory and unsustainable in the long run.

I know. It could be futile to wait for the collapse.

conjure an economy with no circulation of capital yet where everyone will accept the ruler. This is just anarcho-capitalism with extra steps, in that it would collapse immediately.

There can be circulation. People earn wages and buy commodities. It's like socialism, just people get less because the capitalist get's more than everybody else.

Why is the context important if one owns everything?

Because capitalists over company towns essentially had semi-slave labor while selling their commodities abroad

If all resources are available there is no need to sell abroad, or to buy fron there.

has no opportunity for profit or gain, and so would immediately collapse into a socialist revolution.

Why is that inevitable?

capitalism decays the suffering comes with it

Why rely on it instead of building a 'we' on its own?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

So socialism is only stable if the people, and especially those in power are happy.

That's true of any society, for the most part. Socialist countries do end up doing this much better than peer countries though. Also, in socialism, the working class is in power. Administrative positions exist, but they aren't unaccountable or anything.

Isn’t that the same concentration of power?

Not at all. Collectivization of production and distribution into one democratically run system does naturally follow from the groundwork paved by late stage capitalism, yes, but this collectivization also brings with it democratization of power.

Only in global communism. The charged workers don’t have to be the same as the producing workers.

I don't see how this relates to communism, moreover the working class as a whole is the class that produces and consumes. The company towns only worked somewhat because the commodities they produced were sold outside, making everything a company town wouldn't work.

I know. It could be futile to wait for the collapse.

Still don't see your point.

There can be circulation. People earn wages and buy commodities. It’s like socialism, just people get less because the capitalist get’s more than everybody else.

Not at all. Buying goods with money earned isn't the same as circulation of capital. Capital transmogrifies from money to productive commodities to produced commodities back into money in a grand expanding circuit, but without such a system you no longer have capitalism, and prices collapse. This "mega-capitalist" would be overthrown instantly and socialism or barbarism would take its place.

If all resources are available there is no need to sell abroad, or to buy fron there.

There is for profit. You're trying to create a weird utopian mega-capitalism that would, the instant it existed, collapse into socialism or barbarism.

Why is that inevitable?

A single person can't actually own the entire economy. They would be ousted instantly. This is the same kind of utopian thinking that powers anarcho-capitalists.

Why rely on it instead of building a ‘we’ on its own?

We don't, we rely on organizing. Capitalism's decay speeds up that process.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 36 minutes ago

I know. It could be futile to wait for the collapse.

Still don’t see your point.

I don't understand why concentration onto a single capitalist or a small group should destabilize the system.

A hunter gatherer tribe can live by itself. The world run by a capitalist could as well.

from money to productive commodities to produced commodities back into money in a grand expanding circuit, but without such a system you no longer have capitalism

Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

The single capitalist would still own the means of production.

and prices collapse.

The capitalist could buy everything for a penny. But they don't have to. They own everything and can pay workers the wages for the workers to survive. But then the capitalist sells the goods for them at the stores at the prices that reflect the effort to produce them if the capitalist wants efficency, or any other price depending on the goals.

This “mega-capitalist” would be overthrown instantly

Why? Give people entertainment and hope and fear and they will just keep working.

A single person can’t actually own the entire economy. They would be ousted instantly.

Make it a hundred.

kind of utopian thinking that powers anarcho-capitalists.

In which way? Wiki couldn't help me.

We don’t, we rely on organizing. Capitalism’s decay speeds up that process.

Decay lets some people suffer. Coupled with wars and fascism the system can still be stable. There must be something in humans that makes them want to cooperate. Organized suffering people alone will disperse when the suffering is over.