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[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 11 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Any nation that wants to keep their sovereignty needs nukes. Agreements like the Budapest Memorandum were a mistake for some of the countries involved (Ukraine).

[–] vega208@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Lol, I wonder when Ukrainians will connect the dots that they're in this position solely because they put their faith into western powers that didn't deliver on their side of the bargain.

[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk -1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

When did western powers promise that they would stop Putin invading Ukraine?

Ukraine is in their current position because Putin decided to invade Ukraine

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 1 points 9 minutes ago

Western powers promised Ukraine protection against attack or invasion by themselves and Russia in the December 5th, 1994 Budapest Memorandum.

The US, France, UK, Russia, and China all agreed not to invade Ukraine and in fact to provide protection, and in exchange, Ukraine gave up their nukes.

Russia violated this just 20 years later when they invaded and stole Crimea from Ukraine, and now 30 years later they are trying to conquer the entire country.

Thats why everyone is so hell bent on providing support for Ukraine. Not just because it’s the right thing to do, but because they were promised protection by world powers.

[–] Naloxone@lemmy.world 2 points 39 minutes ago (1 children)

Ukraine is the only nation to ever give up their nuclear weapons (after the dissolution of the USSR). At the time, they were assured by the world that their security would be provided for if there was ever a need.

[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 1 points 1 minute ago

I just looked at the text of the Budapest Memorandum. The US, the UK, and Russia all agreed in that memorandum to "refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine".

Russia is the country who broke that commitment, when they invaded Ukraine in 2014. I wouldn't say that the US or the UK broke that commitment, because they haven't used force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine.

There's another commitment in there saying that the US, the UK, and Russia will "seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine... if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression". It seems there were UNSC meetings - like this one - shortly after Russia sent troops into Crimea. If you think the US and UK didn't do enough in this regard then fair enough, but I don't their actions were as bad as Russia invading Ukraine.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, I have a chaotic solution we might try. Let's simply...reverse the Budapest Memorandum! Let's just hand Ukraine a few hundred thermonuclear warheads, with launchers and launch codes and say, "here, go have fun!"

"The president has announced...that we have reversed the Budapest Memorandum..."

:D

[–] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 0 points 4 hours ago

Unironically this