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Swiss voters on Sunday decisively rejected a call to require women to do national service in the military, civil protection teams or other forms, as all men must do already.

Official results. with counting still ongoing in some areas after a referendum, showed that more than half of Switzerland’s cantons, or states, had rejected the “citizen service initiative” by wide margins. That meant it was defeated, because proposals need a majority of both voters and cantons to pass.

Voters also heavily rejected a separate proposal to impose a new national tax on individual donations or inheritances of more than 50 million francs ($62 million), with the revenues to be used to fight the impact of climate change and help Switzerland meet its ambitions to have net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

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[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

If men have to sign up for the draft then it is only fair that women have to too. It’s unfair that only men have to risk being drafted and losing so much of their life to war.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

As a general rule, I oppose gender roles codified into law.

[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Oh give me a break, women are getting away worse in so many facets of life. When we have fixed discrimination against women we can talk about them doing mandatory civil service.

Edit: Did not know that on Lemmy we have such an issue with women's rights.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So? Are we supposed to have a fair, equal society or are we playing these games of measuring each other's cocks?

[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Measure whatever you want but maybe first make it slightly more equal for the ones who have been disadvantaged for decades? But no, one party always focuses on the few things man have where they are slightly worse of.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm a feminist and I honestly don't understand this mentality. Mixing genders in all activities is good for our society, period.

[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not if said activity is forced upon you. Women can already voluntarily join the military or civil service.

[–] SlothMama@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So can men, but in this instance they're also compelled. The ask here is that if men are compelled to service, women should be too. That's obviously equal treatment and fair.

[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Am I in the wrong movie? Women are at a huge disadvantage in life (Gender pay gap, workplace representation, unpaid care and domestic work, education and job positions, healthcare, part-time employment, promotion and career advancement, violence against women, political representation) and we should work to solve that but for some reason we first want to force them to also serve in the military while leaving the current system in place that puts them at a disadvantage? Oh the heavens, men have to serve for a single year...yes that is super important, not all the things they get a huge advantage in life?

[–] SlothMama@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is super twisted and infantalizing to women to be honest. We don't fight for equality by using equity logic that is faulty, we ask everyone, men and women to see women as equals in all areas of life. We're strong, resilient, capable and independent, and you're philosophy asks to maintain privilege ( not military draft ) because you think we face so much other issues, that you see that as equitable, but equity is often the incorrect solution to fairness, fairness is often blind, it says anything a man can do, women can do too. I want to be seen as an equal, not weaker. Women should be in positions of power, not protected and privileged, we are just as capable.

[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Nobody claimed that women are not capable. Where are all these weird claims coming from that nobody ever said a word about?

And nobody ever asked to maintain privilege. Claiming however that voting against this was in any way sexist is absolutely ridiculous as long as we maintain a system where women are not seen as equals but as unworthy of equal treatment.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

So fighting inequality with more inequality? Doesn't sound like that would work no matter how you justify it.

[–] Barrington@feddit.org 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Personally, I think having a draft is a terrible idea regardless of gender.

They voted down adding women to this already bad idea. Potentially in the future, they remove the draft altogether.

I guess my point is, why would you want them to make the situation worse just so it is equal?

Counterpoint: with a draft, people are less willing to support the government going to war.

[–] remon@ani.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

Potentially in the future, they remove the draft altogether.

Support for mandatory military service in Switzerland has been going up in recent years, so I wouldn't count on it.

[–] XenGi@feddit.org 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Statistically woman do so much more care work then men, they already served the country well. There is no need to also draft them. It's only fair. It would also work if more men would take care of kids, the elderly or do other chores without any pay and skip any career for that.

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago

Being drafted is different than doing chores or working in care roles. Everyone capable should be responsible for the defense of those who are not in times of war regardless of sex.

There are also plenty of care roles, and chores, in military service.

Yes more Men should take on the life outside of work, but that has nothing to do with 50% of a countries population being forced to give up and risk their lives while the other isn't even though they are capable of, and excel in, combat and support roles.