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[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Sadly, when it comes down to it, children are necessary for society to function long-term. They are the people who will be financing and effecting your retirement, at least in a well-functioning society. I think it is a sound policy to make sure people can have children without any unnecessary suffering, there's plenty of necessary suffering in there already.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Sadly, when it comes down to it, children are necessary for society to function long-term.

It shouldn't be sad, this is basic reality. We should love kids and want kids and pressure our own countries to make it easier to have families.

I am really getting worried that the left broadly is turning soft anti-natalist and there is no faster way to end your movement than by not having more people. I feel like "birth rates" and "fertility" are terms that we feel have been co-opted by the right because figures like Elon Musk and the manosphere bros.

[–] poopkins@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (6 children)

How many humans should we aim to have, long term? 20 billion? 50 billion? We're already on track to reach 10 billion in the next 25 years.

I believe that as a society, we should have a long-term plan and a goal for our species's population count, because simply offering incentives for continued growth in order to continue funding generational gaps in our pyramid scheme of social welfare is untenable. Ultimately we will reach the logistical capacity of a functional welfare state, to say nothing of all the other problems.

We probably won't ever hit 11 billion contiguous humans. At least not without colonizing Venus. The birthrates worldwide are dropping quickly, and every time another country passes through the Industrial Age, into the Modern Age, their birthrates fall off a cliff. I suspect we will eventually stabilize around 9 billion people, which is a few billion lower than the maximum projected sustainable population of The Earth.

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