Marxists tend to critically support Russia over Ukraine here. Russia doesn't want to "take over Ukraine," it wants the 4 oblasts and Ukraine to be demillitarized. Donetsk and Luhansk both have been at war with Kiev since 2014 and voted to join the Russian Federation, and the far-right Banderites that siezed power in the 2014 Euromaidan coup have been heavily millitarizing and oppressing ethnic Russians. Ukraine serves a similar geopolitical purpose for the US Empire as Israel, it's a heavily millitarized anti-communist country surroundrd by geopolitical adversaries.

[–] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (32 children)

There’s a lot of problems with your reply.

You can’t say Russia doesn’t want to control Ukraine and reconcile that with the fact that Russia previously had puppets controlling Ukraine.

You can’t seriously believe that Russia holds fair elections.

ETA: if the conflict was just about protecting supposedly majority Russian areas on the Russian border, I would expect Russia to have intervened directly in those areas to “liberate” them, like we saw in Crimea (which is also dubiously majority Russian). But what we’re actually seeing is an imperialist cassis belli that’s contradicted by the fact that it’s mostly Ukrainians themselves fighting, even if armed by allies.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

that’s contradicted by the fact that it’s mostly Ukrainians themselves fighting, even if armed by allies.

Which Ukrainians?

The oligarchs running the state?
The Banderite fascists?
The eastern & southern Ukrainians, who, after the Maidan coup, declared independence from an unelected government, and were subsequently terrorized by the Banderites for nearly a decade, with tacit and overt support from the Ukrainian and US governments?
The western Ukrainians who want the war to end?
The men being kidnapped off the streets and pushed to the front lines against their will?

Previously: If not for the US/NATO, this war wouldn’t have happened in the first place.

[–] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Can’t tell if you’re talking about the Russians or the Ukrainians.

My argument isn’t so much that Ukraine is good…it’s that Russia is worse.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Worse for whom?

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