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Average convo with liberals when Ukraine comes up (lemmy.ml)
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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

that’s contradicted by the fact that it’s mostly Ukrainians themselves fighting, even if armed by allies.

Which Ukrainians?

  • The oligarchs running the state?
  • The Banderite fascists?
  • The eastern & southern Ukrainians, who, after the Maidan coup, declared independence from an unelected government, and were subsequently terrorized by the Banderites for nearly a decade, with tacit and overt support from the Ukrainian and US governments?
  • The western Ukrainians who want the war to end?
  • The men being kidnapped off the streets and pushed to the front lines against their will?

 
Previously: If not for the US/NATO, this war wouldn’t have happened in the first place.

[–] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Can’t tell if you’re talking about the Russians or the Ukrainians.

My argument isn’t so much that Ukraine is good…it’s that Russia is worse.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Worse for whom?