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I know places like Portugal and Spain are going through serious housing crunches right new and I know expats often exaggerate those problems. So where can an American flee oppression without just oppressing someone else?

For context: I'm a progressive lefty, thinking about long term relocation options cause the fash is getting pretty thick around here.

Edit: I know immigrants and expats (US or other) are not solely responsible overseas housing issues, but housing issues definitely exist across Portugal, Netherlands, etc. I don't want to increase that burden and would feel shitty if my housing offer outbid 300 local applicants.

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[–] Visstix@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

This is a blunt comment, but it's a realistic take. Most countries, especially in europe, have a housing and immigration problem. More people coming here won't solve any problems. There's a good chunk of people that don't want any foreigners. Of course not everyone minds. But appreciative? Don't see why. Maybe in countries where the population drops.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago (12 children)

We dont have a housing crisis in the sense of volume we have a housing cost crisis. But that would also exist without imigration. Imigration is needed to keep up variouse social nets like retirement.

We also dont have a migration problem, but an integration problem. As partner to a brit in germany, they speak german fluent and got a degree at an age where even the state didnt belief it until we showed the degree. They have practical experience as well. And still its impossible for them to find a job. Job market is only in crisis regarding slave workers.

[–] Visstix@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I'm not saying immigration is the cause of the problem, I am saying that most people in most european countries blame it on immigrants and refugees. Just look at the elections. So I really doubt anyone would be jumping for joy with more. They are more than welcome to come here, I don't mind. Just... Good luck finding a house. (We do have a housing crisis here in the netherlands right now cause the whole system is gridlocked because of nitrogen)

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Imigrants" as the voters of right wing partys use it, means "anyone not white". Just look at their rethoric. They dont talk about a swede the same way as they do about tunesians, turkish, iranians

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