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What are tankies doing in the bottom left?
positive Y axis is dictatorship of capital, negative Y axis is the gradient of proletarian dictatorship
if anything I put them too high on that
Well i guess if that's your version of this then so be it
it's not like the original version makes any more sense tbh.
if I was to redo it I would probably make the negative Y axis reflect degree of authority used against bourgeois elements, because the positive Y is reflecting authority used by the bourgeois
Your version is a left-focused/biased interpretation. The dictatorship of capital is not the only thing that makes a state authoritarian IMO.
Going by your classifications, the DPRK isn't authoritarian, and that's a ridiculous premise unless you're a tankie.
the original compass meme is ridiculous, I chose to highlight who is pro dictatorship of capital and not doing anything to fundamentally change it, ie the top right quadrant.
say what you like about the DPRK, but they are outside of that region on those terms
Like i said if that's how you want to do it, who am i to argue with you?
You've set the terms, and your classifications are internally consistent. All I'm highlighting is that it's left-biased and therefore not objective
Things can have a bias and still be objective, and the original one is not unbiased either, it smuggles in all sorts of assumptions.
The fact that it has an entire quadrant for ancap make-believe should be all the indication you need that the whole thing has a right wing bias.
Things can have a bias and still be correct yes, but you have not provided a reason as to why your specific model is "correct"
Mine pretty clearly distinguishes between people/groups who are in favor of reform vs revolution, as well as those who are in favor of a dictatorship of capital, or in favor of actively suppressing it. The original one does not really disambiguate that. It lumps all sort of people revolutionary or otherwise on 'the left', and includes an entire quadrant for ancap libertarians as if they are not authoritarian in their own way.
Are you taking issue with the placement of reformists on the right?
I'm taking issue with your narrow definition of authoritarian. I don't support the premise that authoritarian governments can exist only through the dictatorship of capital.
If freedom of press, freedom of movement, etc are impeded, then there is no democracy. You're an anarchist. You should agree with this
'Democracy' can mean liberal freedoms such as those, or it can mean participatory decision-making.
My plot isn't defining democracy as 'free press', it's defining democracy structurally as distributed authority among many actors.
A system can restrict certain freedoms and still be structurally decentralized, just as a system can guarantee civil liberties while keeping power concentrated. The point was more to clearly identify where authority resides, not evaluating whether a system meets liberal-democratic standards.
The question of who is subject to authority is something obfuscated in the original meme template that I was aiming to correct.
the original two axis map i think shows things on a vertical axis of how tolerant you are of state violence and the horizontal axis of how tolerant you are of proxy violence (but this is rooted in my view that money is representative of theft and is a tool of oppression). this new version kind of presumes that both kinds of violence are tightly coupled which is… hard to argue against, but it still flattens rather than complicates the chart when the problem with the original chart is it is a right-wing biased over simplification
Everyone has bias, that doesn't mean that Diva's analysis isn't objective.
Bruh get off my tail
I can browse lefty memes too, I checked in on it today like I do once in a while.
Why don't you stay in your echo chamber? Much better that way
Why don't you?
I already am?
Are you? Your instance is defederated from the Marxist instances (outside of Lemmy.ml). I can comment where I want to, assuming I'm not breaking the rules, as can you.
Lmao. Say what you want but your tankie triad is an echo chamber. Banning anyone expressing a moderately different one from yours.
You can't even see what 2/3rds of those instances are saying. How is that any different?
I wouldn't want to see what nazis post. Similarly i don't want to see what tankies post
Communists aren't Nazis, nor are we in any way equivalent, but either way you've essentially just said that I exist in less of an echo chamber than you do.
Read what i wrote again. I never suggested communists were Nazis, and I don't take issue with communists. I'm referring to the specific brand of "communism" you practice in the triad: campist pro-authoritarian pro-bureaucracy pro-massacre "communists".
Your group and Nazis are similar in that you both preach nonsense
Read what I wrote again, I said "nor are we in any way equivalent." Throw all of the unfounded buzzwords you want at me, you and I both know that I actually do know what I'm talking about when it comes to Marxist theory and history, even if you oppose what I say. You dismiss me as a troll, but all that does is just validate what I say in the eyes of onlookers.
Moreover, you've entirely moved the goalpost. I am in far less of an echo chamber than you put yourself in. I agree with the idea of not wanting to see what Nazis post, but nevertheless I'm federated with instances like sh.itjust.works that have significant numbers of cryptofascists.
Lmao go off
Case in point.