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Totally, like the USSR. They started out with a good idea of redistributing and communalizing the means of production, but ended up creating a new ruling class of politicians that exploited people just as much. Just look at modern evidence of income inequality in the USSR compared to Tsarism (pre-1917) and capitalism (post-1990):
See? By looking at factual evidence... wait... hold up... Income inequality actually maintained itself at the historical lowest in the region during communism's entire existence... Well, time to disregard my comment because I'm a tankie and a Ruzzian bot, amirite?
The hierarchies present in the USSR didn't take the form of income inequality. You're taking a metric that is very useful for analyzing capitalist countries and using it in a context where it doesn't make much sense.
Anyway, the comparison with the west isn't really relevant to the comparison I would make in that case, which would be between the initial revolutionary movement and where it ended up.
Wonderful, do you have any numeric data to present?
Non-income sources of access to goods and services perhaps? Such as the universal access to jobs, and universal access to housing mostly through the work union? Universal access to education to the highest level for free? Widely available, high quality, dense, affordable, high frequency public transit? High quantity of public sport facilities, art centres and so-called "culture houses"? Which of those was, numerically and with data, less egalitarian in the USSR?
The graph goes from pre-revolution, to Bolshevism, and to capitalism. You can see that income inequality remained somewhat stable during Socialism, and was much lower than before or after.
This is just for Stalin and what I could quickly pull off the internet
in Moscow area:
Kuntsevo Dacha ("Near Dacha") Uspenskoye Dacha (Far Dacha, old) Semyonovskoye Dacha (Far Dacha, new) Zubalovo dacha, the first one; not preserved[1] Lipki dacha; not preserved[1] Elsewhere in Russia:
Sochi dacha (Matsesta dacha) Bolshiye Brody dacha, Valday, Novgorod Oblast[1]
There were 5 Stalin's dachas in Abkhazia[2]
New Athos dacha Kholodnaya Rechka dacha Lake Ritsa dacha Sukhumi dacha, amid the Sukhumi arboretum (now part of the Sukhumi botanical garden) Miusera dacha
Oh, you mean state-owned dachas that many politicians of the high spheres of the party shared, and none of which was actually Stalin's property? Was the White House Obama's property?
How many of said "dachas belonging to Stalin" were inherited by his children, as expected if he owned them?
What somebody formally owns and gets in income isn't the same as the wealth they actually control in authoritarian systems.
Also, wealth equality through being poor isn't that brilliant
Great, why don't you provide us with some numerical metrics of that in the Soviet Union vs. modern Russia or USA? Or are you possibly just making it up without evidence?
I agree. So did the soviets, and that's why they took a backwards feudal nation in Europe with 85% of the population composed of exploited peasants with an average life expectancy of 28 years, and industrialized the country until it was the second world power, the majority of the population were city dwellers with modern lives and amenities, and rose life expectancy to 70+ years.
https://wealthpol.web.ox.ac.uk/article/how-rich-are-dictators
That wasn't hard was it
Ok and then they did what after industrialization? How come you're leaving that part out?
There is no information about the Soviet Union whatsoever on the page you linked, though?
Idk, what did the Soviet Union do in the 1970s-1980s?
Just wanted to say: keep up the goated work, like in this thread in general
Thanks comrade