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According to a transcript obtained by the German outlet, Europe rallied around Volodymyr Zelenskyy and sharply criticized Washington.

French President Emmanuel Macron warned the U.S. could be about to “betray” Ukraine, according to a leaked transcript of a call between European leaders strategizing about how to protect Kyiv.

The details of the phone call — which took place Monday and involved Macron, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte, Finnish President Alexander Stubb, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and others — were published by German magazine Der Spiegel and saw the leaders discussing U.S.-led peace negotiations with Kyiv and Moscow.

“There is a possibility that the U.S. will betray Ukraine on the issue of territory without clarity on security guarantees,” Macron said, according to Spiegel, adding there was “a great danger” for Zelenskyy. The Élysée did not immediately respond to POLITICO’s request for comment. Spiegel reported the Élysée denied in a statement to the German outlet that Macron spoke of any betrayal. “The president did not use those words,” Macron’s office said, per Spiegel.

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 85 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Could? We are way past that.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

We're just on the other side of the country, plundering their real estate Eastward while the Russians move West.

[–] dandylion@lemmy.today 54 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

This is what happens when you have a US administration that's more concerned with its own interests than with supporting its allies in the face of aggression from Russia. Macron is right to be wary - it's time for the US to step up and provide real support to Ukraine, not just empty words

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

The thing is supporting Ukraine and keeping the current world order and its alliances intact is at the core of US interests.

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 26 points 2 weeks ago

Yes but US interests are of no concern to Trump. Only his own matter.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

in tact

Did you mean 'intact'? As a statement on tact this sentence has a really different meaning.

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah I did - no idea where the space came from.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago

The US administation isn't even concerned with its own interests. It's willing to burn everything to the ground for autocracy, in the most Pyrrhic of "victories."

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's been like every administration. The US has pretty much only cared about its own interests.

[–] devolution@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In the past, the US assumed it's allies were it's own interests. Now it's about how much money can be bribed.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But they were only allies because being allies served US interests.

Although I guess that's true of allies in general.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Specifically US corporate interests.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 points 2 weeks ago

Could? We are way past that.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

more concerned with its own interests than with supporting its allies

You're just describing Realpolitik, which we've been practicing since at least Nixon

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Is it still realpolitik if they're going directly against the interests of their own country, and only focusing on their own personal interests?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That's more just "corruption". But we've been practicing corrupt politics since... checks history textbook... ah, President George Washington.

The problem with the Ukraine/Russia war is that there's a ton of economic interests geared towards arming belligerents, clearing out native peoples from their land, and looting Ukraine for the benefit of external plutocrats. One could argue this is a problem with every war, particularly in the 400 years since we've developed a capitalist form of enterprise. We're just doing to Ukraine and the surrounding Mediterranean region what Spain, France, and Britain were doing to North America centuries earlier.

That kind of conquest and control is both profitable for the ranking leadership of the invading countries and broadly beneficial for the public at-large who get salaries and investment returns as a consequence of the economic activity of shooting and looting.

So, now we're describing "imperialism".

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, that seemed pretty obvious. Even to the most hardcore MAGA it'd probably be obvious, though they'd probably call it a good deal... a GREAT deal.

The people currently in charge of US foreign policy have more than made it clear how two-faced and opportunistic (and fascistic) they intended to be.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Eu should retaliate by harming the USA proxy in the middle east

[–] copd@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Unfortunately, in this post capitalist economy the EU is effectively a small player in regards to wealth and have little to no global influence and power to slap USA on the wrists.

[–] verdi@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago

7/10 chances it was Denmark again that helped wiretap the call...

[–] quinceyBones@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. The current US is untrustworthy.

[–] quinceyBones@lemmy.zip -5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Only a Russian would say this

[–] quinceyBones@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Only an American would believe that

[–] Tabula_stercore@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago
  • coup of Australia
  • propaganda war against France for not joining "weapons of mass destruction" war

Yeah, totally trustworthy before

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

i would give the united states to another country like Mexico or whatever