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The worst-case scenario is now a possible one: European troops fighting off an invasion largely alone.

It’s by no means clear the Europeans would succeed. Romanian and other European officials at the exercise in Cincu, about 260 kilometers (162 miles) north of Bucharest by road, voiced concerns about how long it would take for NATO allies to make it to the front.

French four-star General Philippe de Montenon said he’s confident Europe could prevail, even without the US on side. “The direction of history is a progressive disengagement of the United States from the European continent,” he said.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

it would really be something else if they fought them off successfully and the united states looked like pussies and assholes

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

it would really be something else if they fought them

No it wouldn't be. Germany is suggesting forced conscription already, and so is France. I don't want to see young men thrown into the meat grinder to satisfy the imperial wishes of either Europe or Russia

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

you raise a good point, and to be honest i haven't figured out what the morally correct answer to this is.

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[–] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

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[–] Xartle@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I missed the drama. This was the first Lemmy account I made. Is this server overrun with bots now?

[–] devdoggy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

So the .ml stands for Marxist Lenin... Just to get you started.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I love you got three angy downvotes for explaining this.

I'm sad there isn't an appropriate gif of an "angry tankie" shaking his fist.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Most of them are bot accounts run from the Philippines anyway.

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[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

NATO/EU needs to start moving resources more into place. This will cause putin to have to move troops out of Ukraine to balance.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Even along the Ukrainian border, the Russian troops guarding the frontier are their least capable units full of troops typically serving their 1 year conscription. Putin knows that NATO lacks the capacity for a Sneak Attack. Unless Poland orders full mobilization, the Russians won't move more than token forces to the border.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

That's not really how NATO works, but I can understand the sentiment of imagining the USA refusing to enact the articles upon a member being attacked.

[–] khepri@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I didn't think it was the sort of thing that could be refused? Aren't things like Article 5 basically a ride-or-die pact that obligates member nations to come to eachother's defense? At least in my understanding, being a part of NATO at all legally requires each nation to consider an attack against any one of them as an attack on all of them. It specifically isn't a "if you feel like it" rule, because that doesn't have the scary MAD implications of Article 5.

[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

If the US fails to honor NATO's Article 5 then the rest of the world will worry the US won't honor their defence packs.

Japan Taiwan Philippines South Korea

Nuclear proliferation will follow

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Japan Taiwan Philippines South Korea

Are client states under the occupation of the US military. They aren't worried the US might fall to act. They're worried the US might act to remove their leaders and replace them with more pliant ones.

Nuclear proliferation will follow

Why would an occupied territory hosting US nuclear weapons build their own nuclear arsenal?

Why would the US allow them to do so?

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is such a bizarre outlook on reality. You watch Russian TV a lot?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Again, very bizzare take. There are people in literally every country that wants foreign influence or bases out, that proves nothing and that number of people is very minimal compared to people who want them. The locals in Okinawa are one such example as the military presence is disturbing and soldiers are not known for ethics. I'm in one of your so claimed "occupied states", and everyone's thankful for the alliance (literally no one calls it occupation except Russian people living here who hate everyone who tries to defend themselves from the next invasion).

Random, but did you know an alternate name for Russians where I live is "occupiers"? If you say "occupiers", literally everyone knows that means Russians.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

There are people in literally every country that wants foreign influence or bases out, that proves nothing

You don't think an enormous population of foreign military resulting in high rates of unprosecuted sexual violence and organized crime demonstrates anything about the state of politics in the host country?

So you believe people in Korea, Japan, and the Philippines at the highest levels of power just... want this for their people? Or do you think they're so beaten down they don't believe in their own capacity for self-defense?

Random, but did you know an alternate name for Russians where I live is “occupiers”?

I mean, you keep coming back to Russians, as though you think they're a different species.

I guess you'd call them, what? Orks?

Is the violent occupation of conquered territory only a problem for you when the occupying army is Slavic?

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

You don't think an enormous population of foreign military resulting in high rates of unprosecuted sexual violence and organized crime demonstrates anything about the state of politics in the host country?

So you believe people in Korea, Japan, and the Philippines at the highest levels of power just... want this for their people? Or do you think they're so beaten down they don't believe in their own capacity for self-defense?

Please read the article you yourself sent me and give me source for your "high rates". I'm not denying the issue exists, but officials have been fighting this issue with good results. If you think few bad apples are worse than risking entire country and millions of people then.. I can't even argue that, I'd just call you extremely dumb and move on.

Is the violent occupation of conquered territory only a problem for you when the occupying army is Slavic?

The irony here is that I'm Slavic. I also clearly signalized against Chinese aggression. I'm not anti-Russian, I'm anti-whoever-can't-stay-in-their-borders-and/or-do-colonialism

EDIT: Random, but who do you think is responsible for more Slav deaths - Nazi Germany or Russia?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Please read the article you yourself

Buddy, you can try reading past the first paragraph. There's an extended back and forth in the interview discussing the violence around these bases and their broad unpopularity.

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