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I know people out there who have invested a lot in gold under the belief that in the event of like complete societal collapse or hyperinflation, they could use it for purchasing.

I have the hunch it's a scam, but I haven't learned enough monetary theory, business, or economics to understand why.

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[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Generally speaking, precious metal commodities are a hedge investment; they aren't a primary investment themselves, but they're a hedge against a loss in value of other investments, like stocks or bonds. If you are investing in gold as a hedge against inflation wiping out stock market gains, then yeah, it's pretty solid. You probably don't want to hold on to it forever though; if you'd bought gold just prior to Carter taking office and the stagflation of the late 70s, you be pretty much break-even with things like index funds.

As far as total societal collapse, you would need to have the physical bullion, not just have precious metals in your investment portfolio. And even then, gold might not have a ton of value in a subsistence society. People might trade for it, but if I had food to trade, I don't think I'd be trading for gold, since I can't eat gold. The people that will clean up in a subsistence environment? The Amish.

[–] card797@champserver.net 2 points 1 week ago

All investing is potentially a scam. That's why they warn you about securities trading.

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm acquiring a little gold. Not a lot, but enough.

What's enough? When my family was escaping persecution, they managed to travel under the cover of night and stayed in people's barns and homes during the day. They planned and managed these arrangements via transactions using gold coins, links or pieces of jewelry, or other relatively universal valuables. They also got away a couple of times using the same goods to bribe authorities.

A small number of generations of my family dealt with being told that their money or credit was devalued due to their religion, profession, or relationship to public figures. In those instances, the family members who fled survived, and most of the ones who didn't flee died.

I don't know that I have much faith in my ability to flee anything, so I'm not investing that much time or money into acquiring gold things. Found some old watches from my grandparents/great-grandparents that claim to have gold in them. Have a couple of my own little things and jewelry I've given my wife. All just things when the time to survive arrives. Which it might not ever.

I hope this somewhat answered your question.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If it's not too personal, I'm curious where your family escaped from?

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[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The thing about gold is they are always mining more of it, not great for long term value

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[–] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People buy gold cos it just keeps going up. But here is the truth. Gold doesn't go up, the dollar goes down.

[–] Trex202@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So gold is inflation-proof?

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

So gold is inflation-proof?

Yes, but only to the extent that you can store it, defend it and find a buyer when needed.

Gold loses value at exactly the rate of the cost of the armed guards you are paying to keep it from being stolen.

Pay too little, and it takes its value to someone else who is better armed or sneakier.

And if someone set aside gold for you that you have never seen, no they didn't.

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[–] janNatan@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Absolutely. Invest in silver instead. It's prettier.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is just me, and I'm no expert. But I kind of think that, if you're legitimately worried about your country's currency collapsing, you might want to consider leaving your country. Any sort of collapse that leads to hyperinflation or the large-scale elimination of financial infrastructure is probably going to be difficult if not impossible for the average person to survive, gold or no.

That said, precious metals are a niche enough market that I can't imagine it not being rife with predatory sellers; companies that aren't offering scams per se—you'll probably pay them and receive what you pay for—but companies which are counting on people not knowing anything about the market and accepting a terrible price or poor quality goods.

Again, not an expert. But my end-of-the-world investment would be in shelf-stable food, easily-stored seeds (for planting), medicine, hand tools, high-quality camping gear, books, that sort of thing. If there is a collapse, those sorts of things will be immediately useful and also tradeable.

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[–] coriza@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There was a video essay by Folding Ideas (From "the line goes up" fame) about a weird documentary narrated/hosted by Idris Elba, and If I am remembering it right it was basically a propaganda/ad film targeting people like peepers and that are skeptical of the government and such. So I believe there is at least a push to make gold more marketable and in fashion, like De beers did for diamonds.

I don't know if I am allowed to link to outside content (because the rule of no reposting outside content) but in any case it should be easy to find for anyone interested.

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[–] muse@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Owning land is better to store wealth, but gold is better when fleeing to wherever land ownership is still enforced.

[–] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Look at the zoomed out 5 year chart for its price and you tell me.

$1,839 -> $4,217

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 week ago

It is an ok hedge on inflation, but it is pushed a lot by scam adjacent businesses to push up consumption.

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