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[–] tyler@programming.dev -3 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

I’m absolutely not going to provide sources or even argue with anyone from .ml on an .ml community because it’s pointless. You all do not care about proper sourcing and think it’s even a detractor because it’s “western”. I’m pointing out the problems with the sources for all the other people that are observing that comment and being swayed, because it’s a bunch of baloney.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

Disclaimer: not .ml.

Critisizing someone's sources and then refusing to provide any other ones "because it's pointless" seems a little hypocritical to me.

I’m pointing out the problems with the sources for all the other people that are observing that comment and being swayed, because it’s a bunch of baloney.

So we should trust your word over someone's who has at least put in the effort to provide sources?

Look, you don't need to prove anything, but if you're gonna argue or act like you're defending people from misinformation, then I'd expect to see more than just "don't listen to that guy". It's not exactly easy finding objective information about various issues in China and filtering out all the American propaganda. Personally, I'd very much appreciate any links that don't lead to obvious manipulation.

[–] Zabjam@feddit.org -4 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

How is it hypocritical? Either the sources are biased or not. The poster not providing proof for a counterargument is irrelevant. Or do you mean they should provide proof for the original sources being biased?

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There's no such thing as a source with no bias

[–] Zabjam@feddit.org -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But there is a spectrum. Or are you telling me that every source is as biased as any other?

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Mate, the person literally said "Either the sources are biased or not"

are you telling me that

Fun fact: every single time someone writes this, whatever follows is guaranteed to be an outrageous strawman that in no way it's what the other person was saying.

[–] Zabjam@feddit.org -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Sure buddy. It is still irrelevant. It is not hypocritical to ciritice a source. You don't have to prove a different point to bring forward criticism. The only question should be "is the criticism valid?" And not "do you have a better point?"

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And the answer to that question is "there’s no such thing as a source with no bias"

[–] Zabjam@feddit.org -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No it is not. That's only an answer if one thinks that every sources bias is as bad as any other, which was rejected earlier as "outrages strawman". Under the assumption that sources can be more or less biased, it is worth questioning the bias and the statement "there's no such thing as a source with no bias" is a moot point.

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