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I hear that Muslims think that anyone that is not blessed in their religion, even infants, will go to hell. They have a single religious leader that has absolute control over their theocratic state and has influence over leaders from around the world (historically, even power over them). They have a history of holy wars, torture of those of other faith, and holding back any knowledge and scientific progress that challenges their doctrine. They adorn their holy places with devices of torture and execution. And they practice ritualistic cannibalism of a holy man regularly, even feeding it to their children.
Oh sorry... that's Catholics.
Lot of bs. Catholic as far as I know is the only religion where non believer aren't damned to hell. If they act rightfully trough their life they won t go in heaven but a place call lymb where they will live happily until the end of time. The only difference with heaven is they won't get to see God. The pope doesn't have influence over leader around the world. I mean he ask for the end of war in Gaza or ukraine and look how it goes. They never hold scientific progress and where keeper of it during a time science wasn't spread because of the need of manual labor. Meanwhile Muslim littérale genocide ppl of other faith. So often ressort to violence that u have wikipedia page about it for any european country. Littérale believe the earth is falt and so on. It s not even comparable. It s just bad faith argument over and over that want to compare the incomparable. I would 100x time prefer to be Muslim in a christian country than the opposite.
Forgot about it but children forced marriage are legal in islam u dont need the child permission only his father and it s well done cause rape in marriage doesn't exist. So it s litteraly pedophilia legal and permit under religious law just with extra step. Compare this to Christianity just expose your stupidity
So, I did exaggerate a bit sort of. Under Catholism, the virtuous non-beliver and unbaptised innocents go to Limbo, which is not exactly Hell. But Limbo is not a happy place either. It is like an offshoot of hell, minus the explicit pain and punishment of actual hell. It's residents are described as suffering by their separation from God.
Also Catholics are most definitely not the only religion that doesnt condemn non-believer to hell or the equivalent. There are plenty of religions without even a concept of hell or an analogous eternal punishment, so that's simply not the case.
Horseshit. He doesn't have control, but to pretend that he has no influence is at best ignorant and at worst dishonest.
So because violent leaders don't follow his directives, that means his influence is null?
They have historically been patrons and stewards of the sciences. However there are moments in history where conflict between doctrine and scientific discovery have led to the church using its overwhelming power to suppress the science and condemn its discoverer(s). Galileo and his Heliocentric model is obviously the most notable of such cases.
See, you misunderstood the point. My point was about how easy it is to frame facts in a way that makes what would otherwise be seen as normal religious activities and history to us make a religion seem abnormal and menacing in comparison. This was a critique of that framing, not of the Catholic church. You then got super defensive and then doubled down on this framing against Muslims.
Catholicism is fine. Silly but fine. Islam is fine. Silly but fine. More or less all religions are silly but fine until fundamentalists, bigots, jihadists (Muslim or otherwise), theocrats, or or any other prick that uses religion to push their terrible fucking ideas onto others or to justify hurting others gets involved. Islamic states are a problem, no doubt. But frankly any religious theocracy is, and for the exact same reasons.
How can anyone present this nonsense with a straight face? There is no evidence of any of this, some guy made up this wildly implausible story of some invisible realm, so he could preach it to a bunch of gullible dopes, and convince them to give him their money. And those dummies who bought in, now have to convince others to be as stupid as they are, and also give their guy some money.
ALL religion is about taking money from stupid people, and that's what it's always been about.