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Fucking Europeans are in no position to complain about other countries grabbing land by force and getting away with it. It's rank hypocrisy to act like the antipathy to Russia has anything to do with principled opposition to "bullying neighbours" or "making the region less safe" when Europe is still shoveling money at Israel, protecting the people who butchered Iraq, Libya, Syria, and plenty more, and never found an American invasion they didn't support until they realized it might negatively affect them.
Western countries have absolutely earned a lot of the criticism they get. Iraq, Libya, and the good ol' US of A's approach to the Middle East are pretty glaring stains, and Israel’s conduct has raised (justified) outrage, enough that even its own leadership now faces ICC warrants. Europe isn’t some angelic bloc either; it’s just that it does have legal and political structures (ECHR, ICC support, actual protest cultures, real accountability mechanisms) that at least give people tools to contest state violence.
None of that makes Russian aggression suddenly noble. Pointing out Western hypocrisy doesn’t magically turn Putin into a principled anti-imperialist. He’s running an authoritarian system that jails dissent, murders critics and wages a war built on territorial revanchism complete with deliberately targeting civilians.
If I have to choose between flawed democracies with internal pressure valves, independent courts and protest movements… or authoritarian states that treat brutality as a virtue, then I’ll stick to pushing the countries and systems I’m actually part of to live up to their ideals.
Hypocrisy is a problem, but open militaristic authoritarianism is way worse. The answer to western failures isn’t to excuse someone else’s.
Yup, for instance they've earned the critism that they have no business claiming their opposition to Russia has anything to do with principles or morality.
Never said it did, so I can only assume you're saying this to attack a strawman.
Which are all things that Europe both do and support when it's them and their allies doing it. What is your point?
All things that Europe emphatically does not represent when it comes to the middle east. Millions of Iraqis, Libyan, and Palestinians did not get to vote in your shitty rigged elections or get protected by your biased, billionaire owned courts when Europe decided to massacre them.
For that matter, Europe doesn't even grant those things domestically to people with actual leftist politics; the moment an actual leftist party attains any real viability, it's getting banned and it's leaders arrested. The moment you try to an effective protest movement that might actually affect change, you're getting beaten and arrested by armored storm troopers.
And by that you mean,: spruik them as righteous world police while demonizing their geopolitical enemies. You haven't achieved one iota of movement in pushing them to live up to their ideals and you've already moved on to declaring how much better they are then their enemies.
Let's be honest here; you're support for Europe comes from the fact that you personally benefit from their policies, not because their policies are more beneficial in general.
Mate, the hypocrisy is Europe's open support for militaristic authoritarianism! See, this is what I mean; you don't think open militaristic authoritarianism is a problem when Europe does it; you just don't like that the hypocrisy undermines Europe's self-granted Mandate from Heaven.
No one said it was, though you seem to be saying that the answer to Russian failures is to excuse the West.
Europe didn't even participate in the Iraq war, that's a common misconception. It was just the US, UK, Australia, and Poland. And in Poland's case they contributed just 200 troops. Sure just like with Palestine they didn't actively oppose it meaningfully, but the Iraq war was like 90% American, 9% British, 0.5% Australian, and 0.05% Polish.
This is straight up misinformation. For a start, UK and Poland are both European, and for another, a huge number of other European countries sent troops to Iraq, and you're straight up lying to say otherwise.
This is straight up genocide denial now. Europe actively, rhetorically, and materially supported (and continues to support) the Palestinian genocide and the fascist ethno state carrying it out. The disgusting fake narrative that Europe were just this uninvolved third party who meant well but were too cautious to take action is Genocide Apologist Bullshit.