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I'm human. I've been told I have a good grasp of human interaction, too good to be a cat.


This user is suspected of being a cat. Please report any suspicious behavior.

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It's chill. You know I'm chill. All my friends say I'm wayyyyy too laid back to do something like that.

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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/6890732

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Am I just imagining it, or does he look like he belongs here?

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neigh don't want you to know the truth

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/39661270

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Title: Place for the Palestinians in the Altneuland: Herzl, Anti-Semitism, and the Jewish State

Alt / Archive: https://archive.md/fNZ8Y

Context/Wikipedia:

Theodor Herzl was an Austro-Hungarian Jewish journalist and lawyer who was the father of modern political Zionism. Herzl formed the Zionist Organization and promoted Jewish immigration to Palestine in an effort to form a Jewish state. Due to his Zionist work, he is known in Hebrew as Chozeh HaMedinah, lit. 'Visionary of the State'. He is specifically mentioned in the Israeli Declaration of Independence and is officially referred to as "the spiritual father of the Jewish State"

I've been trying to figure out how to post and talk about this paper I found while trying to learn about Herzl and the origins of Israel.

The linked paper / essay is interesting, but what left me stunned was seeing Herzl's own words in the quoted excerpts, where he talks about what he believes is the root causes of the persecution of Jewish people and how he thinks it can be solved.

I'm going to CW from here. Reading the essay would be a good idea for better contextual understanding.

CW antisemitismAn excerpt from Herz's "Mauschel" published in Die Welt 1897 where he identifies the reason for the persecution of Jewish people is the existence of Eastern European and Slavic Jews (as opposed to Herzl, an integrated white man in Vienna) or broadly "Ghetto Jews"

'We've known him for a long time, and just merely to look at him, let alone approach or, heaven forbid, touch him was enough to make us feel sick. But our disgust, until now, was moderated by pity; we sought extenuating, historical explanations for his being so crooked, sleazy, and shabby a specimen. Moreover, we told ourselves that he was, afer all, our fellow tribesman, though we had no cause to be proud of his fellowship.... who is this Yid, anyway? A type, my dear friends, a figure that pops up time and again, the dreadful companion of the Jew, and so inseparable from him that they have always been mistaken for one for the other. The Jew is a human being like any other, no better and no worse.... The Yid, on the other hand, is a hideous distortion of the human character, something unspeakably low and repulsive'.

He goes on to describe how the establishment of a Jewish state would be brutally hard work. He predicted that cosmopolitans like himself would not be interested in moving to the site of this future state. The essay explains his idea that

A Jewish state [...] would isolate eastern Jews -- those provokers and amplifiers of anti-semitic feeling -- and, through a carefully rationalized program of 'relief by labor', use their unremunerated work both to transform them from 'good for nothing beggar[s] into honest bread winner[s]'

Or in Herzl's words:

'We shall not leave our old home before the new one is prepared for us. Those only will depart who are sure thereby to improve their position; those who are now desperate will go first, after them the poor, next the prosperous, and, last of all, the wealthy. Those who go in advance will raise themselves to a higher grade, equal to that whose representatives will shortly follow. Thus the exodus will be at the same time an ascent of the classes'

"Arbeit macht frei, but not for me" type beat.

The last excerpt I'm going to share is Herzl's declaration that the Zionist project would liberate Jewish people from antisemitic persecution whether it succeeded in creating a state or not.

'In our own day, even a flight from religion can no longer rid the Jew of the Yid. Race is now the issue - as if the Jew and the Yid belonged to the same race. But go and prove that to the anti-Semite. To him, the two are always and inextricably link.... And then came Zionism!.... We'll breathe more easily, having got rid once and for all of these people whom, with furtive shame, we were obliged to treat as our fellow tribesmen….Watch out, Yid. Zionism might proceed like Wilhelm Tell…and keep a second arrow in reserve. Should the first shot miss, the second will serve the cause of vengeance. Friends, Zionism's second arrow will pierce the Yid's chest'

The essay explains, the "first arrow" Zionism would shoot would be the creation of a Jewish state. But if they failed in that project, the only alternative left would be for integrated Western European Jews to exterminate the "problematic" Jewish people who provoked antisemitism by existing. That's the second arrow piercing the undesirables' chest.


I think I first read this thing a couple of weeks ago but it keeps intruding on my thoughts.

The notion of good Jews and bad Jews and the necessity for the good to exterminate the bad to alleviate the persecution of the whole - familiar rhetoric, I've seen the same thing expressed by various chauvinists and ethnic supremacists, historical and contemporary.

I guess why this keeps nagging at me is that so much of this thinking actually did become a blueprint for the founding of Israel.

and that the words are so shockingly hateful that they make the lie of Israel's being necessary for the peace and security of all Jewish people bitterly laughable.

Herzl wanted to purify his own "tribe" of the members which be believed fully embodied the worst antisemitic stereotypes. You could pass his words off as German Nazi propaganda without altering a thing. He's still considered the founding visionary for the state that exists today.

For some reason I didn't expect it to be this blatant and disgusting. For some reason I thought if I went far enough back I'd find something other than hate and more antisemitism, that it'd been a different time and that maybe the project started with at least naively 'positive' intentions.

Dunno why I thought that. Propaganda I suppose.

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The market speaks.

Saw this evil piece today from some engineering nerd who believes they're at the peak of critical thought.

For too long, these colleges have clung to the notion of being uniquely “noble”, insulated from market pressures and buffered by government funding and external endowments.

A particularly stubborn myth is that liberal arts education has a monopoly on cultivating critical thinking. This belief not only discounts the intellectual rigour demanded in Stem fields but also perpetuates an outdated hierarchy of disciplines. Critical thinking is not the sole attribute of literature and philosophy department

Rather than worry about funding cuts or condemning their threat to academic purity, liberal arts institutions should embrace a market-oriented mindset.

Fears about “dumbing down” degrees or commodifying education can be addressed through market accountability and employer feedback.

Now I'm no longer in school, it's been years. And I know there are a range of "sympathies" toward higher education (ideological state apparatuses and all that jazz), and I could also imagine good points being made about the need for better engineering in the United States and the west.

But I still hated this article telling schools to bow down to the free market, shut down their English departments, and recognize the engineers at Palantir as the pinnacle of human thought.

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At my first job I worked with a Puerto Rican dude named Ray. We got along good. The work was cleaning duty for a music instruction place so we’d do a bunch of cleaning which was boring as fuck and then we’d have some spare time to play music before our next assignment. Sometimes we’d run over to his house on break because it was close and he was always generous trying to give me food and stuff. All things considered it was a good gig for a couple teenagers over the summer.

Like a month in, he invites me to a wedding his family is putting on. Can’t quite remember who it was for unfortunately. It was almost 20 years ago. He said I just gotta save up and rent a tux. I said hell yeah and we were all excited. We talked about it every week or so and every time he kept telling me, “these Ricans are gonna eat you alive, son.” And I’m white as fuck and autistic so I was like, “that sounds bad but he sounds excited so I’ll just assume it’s supposed to be exciting and not say anything about me being nervous” but inside I was all nervous like “I don’t wanna get eaten alive.”

Some time goes by, it comes time and I hadn’t saved up and I told him I wasn’t going. And he was pretty hurt by it. To this day I regret not keeping up with him and I regret not going to that wedding. Ray was nothing but kind to me and I snubbed him. I could have told my mom and maybe she would have helped me remember to save. And she would have told me to ask what the date was and get details and stuff. Like I just handled it really badly and I regularly feel bad about it.

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